Pundita: Mumbai 911 – “Unko bachana kaun chahega?”

Cross posted from RBO.

Pundita: Mumbai 9/11 — “Unko bachana kaun chahega?”

Pundita writes this afternoon on her blog:

Previous to the Mumbai incident about 2,300 Indians have been massacred in 2008 alone from terrorist attacks in Kashmir, Assam, Delhi, Jaipur and Ahmedebad, and most carried out by Islamic extremists and separatists.

In Jihad in Mumbai, Gates of Vienna  takes aim at the highly destructive cowardice informing Western political and press discussions of Islamist terrorism:

There’s only “terrorism”. There’s no jihad. Islam is not mentioned. If we say anything about it, we might damage the “interfaith dialogue” upon which the White House, the UN, and the Vatican have placed so much hope.

The GOV post links to several reports on the massacres, including B. Raman’s November 29 analysis, which lists what he’s gathered so far on different attacks launched by the terrorists around the city.

And the GOV provides a link to a Rediff  report titled Doctors shocked at hostages’ torture. It seems that all those taken hostage by the terrorists were tortured, and in such gruesome fashion that the examining doctors, used to the sight of mutilated bodies, were sickened. One doctor said:

“Of all the bodies, the Israeli victims bore the maximum torture marks. It was clear that they were killed on the 26th itself. It was obvious that they were tied up and tortured before they were killed. It was so bad that I do not want to go over the details even in my head again.” 

From Aaron Klein’s report to John Batchelor last night (aired at 9:20 PM ET), which is not yet available on podcast, I am not sure that all the hostages at Nariman House were massacred on the first day.

The Rediff  report also explains why only one of the terrorists survived a shoot-out with the police:

The doctors who conducted the post mortem said the bodies of the terrorists were beyond recognition. “Their faces were beyond recognition.” 

There was no way of identifying them,” he said. Asked how, if this is the case, they knew the bodies were indeed those of the terrorists, he said: “The security forces that brought the bodies told us that those were the bodies of the terrorists,” he said, adding there was no other way they could have identified the bodies. [...]

A senior National Security Guard officer, who had earlier explained the operation in detail to rediff.com, said the commandos went all out after they ascertained that there were no more hostages left. When asked if the commandos attempted to capture them alive at that stage, he replied: “Unko bachana kaun chahega (Who will want to save them)?”

I appreciate the sentiment but if they’d left the faces intact that could have helped in identification. B. Raman is looking to the Middle Eastern Muslim terror organizations for some tactics used by the Mumbai attackers:

In my view, the terrorist strikes in Mumbai had the stamp of Al Qaeda in the way they were conceived, planned and executed. There has also been a touch of the Hizbollah of the Lebanon, the Popular Front For The Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), the Al Aqsa Martyr’s Brigade and other Palestinian organizations. 

This tends to support my initial suspicion. (”I think the attacks would fit the profile of Hezbollah’s MO.” — November 27)

But with the faces of the attackers virtually obliterated, and if the bodies are quickly disposed of without DNA testing, we have only the surviving terrorist’s word for it that all the others were Pakistani.

I don’t post pictures on this blog but in the second-to-last picture (below) in this (UK) Daily Mail report, the picture showing two gunman, the taller man on the right does not look Pakistani to my eyes. The photograph is fuzzy but he looks as if he could be from India’s northeast, maybe Assam state.

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In any event, if the faces of the slain terrorists were indeed mutilated beyond all recognition, there may have been more than one reason for this.

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19 Responses

  1. This identity stuff is tricky. The one question I never saw answered about 9/11 is how did they know within 24 hrs who all those vaporized terrorists were–names, etc.

  2. I would assume there is a reason that they:

    a) Killed them rather than question them beforehand
    b) Destroyed their identities
    c) Left their defenses down so severely after the 2006 attack in Mumbai

    I doubt we will ever really know any of these reasons.

  3. I’m intrigued by the following comment (by Pundita??) in the main post: “…in the second-to-last picture …, the picture showing two gunman, the taller man on the right does not look Pakistani to my eyes. The photograph is fuzzy but he looks as if he could be from India’s northeast, maybe Assam state.”

    For the most part, Indians and Pakistanis don’t look very, if at all, different. Really a common people, sometimes divided by their respective religions but mostly always by their respective governments. (The exception tends to be people in the northwest of Pakistan, the Pathans, who look more like the Afghanis.) In the case of the guy referred to in the blog, he could certainly be from Pakistan. He looks like hundreds of guys I saw growing up in Pak.

    On a different but related matter: Uppity and Papoose, just a brief note to left you know I responded to your query re AQ and an Indo.-Pak. war on the Tips and Links page. Sorry for the delay.

  4. Yeah, I find that interesting too, NES.

  5. GG and Star, one can get too conspiracy minded about this stuff. The victimized states are just that — victims, not co-conspirators.

    In the case of Mumbai, the commandos really didn’t have the luxury of ensuring that the attackers were taken alive or in fair physical condition. The attackers were shooting to kill from buildings or hideouts inside the buildings. Under those circumstances, shooting or bombing in self-defense often involves fatalities and disfiguring wounds. I’m sure these guys weren’t carrying any identification.

    In the case of 9/11, most or all of the terrorists were caught on the airports’ surveillance cameras, left suicide notes in still-furnished apartments, and/or left their never-to-be-collected cars (with identification clues) in airport parking lots. There was also a trail of crumbs leading back to Hamburg, Germany, where some of them, including Atta, had planned the operation.

  6. Well clearly the Indian security forces did not want the murderers identified. I wouldn’t give up on finding out why.

    They were complicit in the attack?
    They want to spin the murderers identity without being bothered with facts?
    What other possibilities?

    Interesting that major news outlets are not reporting the torture.

  7. NES don’t get me started on Atta that bastard lived across the street from me in Hollywood FL with a couple of the other bastards. right up to the attacks.

  8. Wow Deadenders! That’s downright creepy. Did you ever exchange any words with the jerks?

  9. Well Foxx, you may have a point on wanting to spin their identities without hard evidence. (The spin will no doubt lead to Pakistan, but, to tell you the truth, unfortunately that’s where the hard evidence would probably have taken them anyway.) I find it hard to believe they were complicit though. Notwithstanding the ascendancy of the Age of O, I still cling to the notion that most people have a shred of human decency.

  10. Hell No!
    But a friend of ours ran the Apartment Build they lived in. Their lifestyle was not Muslim .

    It was very scary when the FBI swarmed our street. The sprayed every wall in that apartment with spray glue and took all the evidence out in large sheets.

  11. Interesting that you note that “[t]heir lifestyle was not Muslim.” From what I’ve heard, that was part of their cover/disguise. They were given special dispensation to shave their moustaches and beards, drink, date, and party so as to fit in with the populace and not attract attention. On the other hand, they may just have been total hypocrites.

    Glad you didn’t happen to speak to any of them.

  12. I especially noted the fight at the strip club on 9/10 or just before the attacks. Islam has to put its frigging house in order. I will not give deference to a religion whose scattered leadership will not even condemn terrorism in the name of Islam. The Catholic Church got its ass kicked for many years in the US (and the rest of the world) for its handling of criminal acts. It’s time for a large segment of the Muslim world to be discredited before I’ll even consider it a faith.

  13. Right on, P4P. Recognition has to be earned, not automatically bestowed. As long as a substantial part of the Islamic world practices, or tolerates the practice of, Islam in its medieval form, it doesn’t deserve our respect. The obverse approach is the mult-kulti nonsense that got Europe into trouble.

    PS: I thought we’d cured you of the 1539days screen name….

  14. Off topic, Uppity. I’ve tried to search, in vain, your archives for those delightful Monthy Pythonesque video take-offs of Obama as Jesus (in the Temple and at a planned stoning event). Can you give me an idea of which month that was? Alternatively, perhaps you can come up with a flimsy excuse for re-posting those. They were so delightful, and we all need a good laugh. What say you?

  15. OMG (and I mean that literally!) thank you NES for requesting the Obamamessiah videos! Hysterical!! For some reason they seem even more funny now. Thanks to NES and Uppity for a good morning laugh.

  16. Sorry NES, but you’re apparently quite a bit kinder than me these days.

    In the case of India, I don’t think so much conspiracy as internal government conflicts that led to a total failure to do, well, much of anything. Not premeditated, just sloppy (as far as letting it happen). But as far as covering the identities and killing them before questioning – definitely on purpose. Sure they had to shoot many of them from a distance, but what cop or soldier aims for the face? Center mass, baby. And the article refers to one instance where they knew there were no hostages left alive. It’s a concerted effort to hide their religious wars from the western world. It’s “acceptable” for us if it’s terrorism, but not if it’s just civil war.

  17. Grail Guardian: You are giving the Indian soldiers too much credit and discredit at the same time for letting it happen, in the first place, and hitting them in the face to destroy their identity purposely.

    Simple explanation is that the Indian soldiers outof anger and ignorance showered the terrorist sides with bullets that hit indiscriminately especially after their commanding captains and majors had died. were blitzzing the terrorists

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