The status quo is broken. We cannot continue this way,” Obama said in his weekly address. “If we do nothing, everyone’s health care will be put in jeopardy.”
The president wants a health reform bill that covers all Americans on his desk by August, reaching for a goal that has eluded presidents for decades — in a single summer.
The Plan will also definitely contain a “government run” health insurance option.
Funny, though. My HMO just recently decided to eliminate that deductible they shoved down my throat with their snide take-it-or-leave-it tone a few years ago — at the same moment they increased my premium by a double-digit percentage. Nice of them to reverse that, don’t you think? How Timely!
Say what you want, but I don’t find this extortion reversal accidental. I believe it is a direct result of fear that their customers might be interested in the future ”other option”. This is not something that is mentioned much by the pundits and the Town Criers.
I predict that fear alone will straighten out some of these health insurers, who suspiciously appear to have been Price Fixing for years. A quick check of Single Pay policy options in my area tells me it has never been a coincidence that all of the premiums are within a few dollars of one another. No, health insurers aren’t going to go out of business. Instead, they are going to think twice before extorting their customers or killing people for greater profit. I would be willing to bet they are also working on cutting that outrageous overhead rate they all share as well.
I also notice in my state that the Blue Cross people are now offering insurance to people who can’t afford their outrageously priced Single Pay policies, but who do not qualify for state offered policies, due to assets and income. While means tested, the “means” is much higher, touching closer to the middle class. The premiums are a fraction of the Single Pay price. I find that very interesting. Let’s face it, they aren’t offering this option because they “care”. They too, are reading the Handwriting on the Wall and are prepping to compete.
These are situations that would have never occurred but for Fear of Competition. Nobody is going to be “driven out of business”. Instead, they are about to be forced to live with some real competition — for a change. Health insurers will no longer be able to run entire states via their massive infusion of contributions to politicians. This is especially the case if people will no longer be held hostage by laws written by lobbyists that make it illegal for residents to cross state lines to get the same policies at a fraction of the price.
It is time for the health insurance industry to stop extorting and start competing–and that is the positive side of health care reform.
Just saying.
Then there’s the problem of hospitals and how they calculate charges based on different scales. It is no secret that uninsured and under-insured people end up with massive bills. Charges for services to those who have any assets at all are many times higher than what insurance companies pay out for the same services. Where I come from this is called extortion, if not blackmail. This habit has driven many previously responsible people into bankruptcy–and that costs the rest of us too.
Okay, forcing everyone to be insured rubs a lot of people the wrong way, even if it’s means tested. This is especially so of young people who think they will never get sick. So, a 21 year old is living home with his parents, which we all know is more common than grass. He no longer qualifies for insurance on his parents’ plan. He works and spends all of his money on himself. Why throw bucks into health insurance when you can have fun instead! So, one night he is texting while he’s driving that car his parents lease for him, and he gets into a crash. He owns nothing and he runs up a boatload of bills, which he doesn’t bother paying. Who pays that bill? Those of us who have been paying ever-increasing premiums do, that’s who.
Okay now for the worrisome part.
Admittedly, there is one “Minor” detail that has not been resolved yet. How is the country really going to pay for the ‘government option”? After the votes are counted up amongst American workers, the idea of taxing health care benefits given to them by employers is not going to look very good to those who ever want to be re-elected again. And the concept of taxing the richest five percent only is becoming laughable. These people didn’t get rich being stupid. They will become expats if they have to–before they allow this “Redistribution of Wealth” idea take hold. We have already seen the exodus of billionaires from over-taxed states to states that have no state tax. New York is about to learn a huge lesson in what happens when you try to push the envelope of the wealthy too far. If the Federal government gets the same attitude as their former states, they will just………leave. That means, tax increases are going to have to occur amongst earners who make far less than the tauted $250k a year. That would make Barack Obama a campaign liar in the vein of “Read My Lips” Bush–and we all know how that worked out for Mr. Bush.
Then too, the worst words on earth are “We’re from the government. We’re here to help”. We all know that once Congress gets involved in “helping” us, we end up paying. I just bought a new hot water heater for some property I own. It cost nearly $800, due to ‘regulations’ added by Congress. Some jerk blew himself up or something, because he wasn’t too bright while tinkering with his hot water heater with his own head up his ass, and now the idiot-proofing of hot water heaters has doubled the price. And if you haven’t bought a new Central Air Conditioning unit lately, please know that those prices have also doubled due to new “regulations”.
That’s the kind of help Congress always gives us.
So yes, there are some concerns here. In fact, I am reminded once again of the short story, “The Lady or The Tiger“.
The story goes like this:
There was a “semi-barbaric King” who had a strange way of conducting criminal trials. He would place the prisoners into an audience-packed arena where there were two doors.
Behind one door was a hungry tiger.
Behind the second door was a beautiful woman.
The prisoner would be forced to pick a door without knowing which of the two was behind the door he picked. If he picked the door where the tiger resided, he was considered guilty and became the tiger’s lunch in front of everybody watching in the stands. If he got lucky and picked the door that led to the beautiful woman, he was considered innocent and could go free. But he would have to marry the woman as his reward for freedom. This was not negotiable.
Now, the King had a beautiful daughter who was in love with a man who was far below her station in life. The King would have none of this, so he arrested his daughter’s lover and planned his “trial”.
Since the King knew that his daughter loved this man, he added a bit of a twist to the routine. He tossed her beloved into the arena and then told his daughter which door housed the tiger so that she could signal her beloved as to which door he should choose.
The wicked King had put his daughter into one of those “rock and hard place” positions. Her catch-22, so to speak. If she pointed to the door that held the tiger back, her beloved would be ripped to shreds. If she pointed to the door that released the beautiful woman, she would have to endure his marriage to the woman, thereby losing her lover forever.
The lover of the king’s daughter stood before the two doors in silence. Then he looked to the King’s daughter for a sign.
The story ends with the question: “Did the tiger come out of that door, or did the lady?”
The answer is left open for the reader to ponder.
So it is with Health Care Reform.
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“The story ends with the question: “Did the tiger come out of that door, or did the lady?” ”
Personally, I’m thinking there are two tigers and there is no lady behind either door. Under our current President and Congress, I sincerely doubt we’re going to see real healthcare reform. And no matter what he and Congress do this summer, we’re all going to be screwed!
Oh you can just bet I am dancing up and down the street saying ” oh boy we are getting national health care yippie”
First this is not what I want to see because slice it anyway you want to it is socialism and I can not get on board with that I was happy living in a free country. A unique country that others longed to come live in now it too is crap because of folks whining about needing the government to intervene with everything.
Next is I can no longer opt out of health insurance because it is clear on top of all the other crap I have to help fund I will be funding this shit too.
Cripes I wish some states would secede. I want to live under the Constitution not all this we need this that and the other stuff and we need to help everyone.
Yup it is time to stop the world because I want off !
Health care costs, health insurance costs are out of control. Time to rein things in. People should not have to choose between food or medicine. A catastrophic illness in a family should not also cause bankruptcy (even when they HAVE insurance.)
I agree to the post above this however this is not the way and it is illegal as hell if you read the constitution. There are other ways and one was never to allow insurance to be needed in the first place. But folks can not see that
It very hard to have credibility to reform health care when one can not perform such a simple medical task as producing his own birth certificate.
I maintain he does not have one it is an apology letter from a condom company
Overall, I am in favor of health care reform. Specifically, I am in favor of scaring the shit out of health insurance companies, forcing them to cut their overhead rates and to stop killing people for profit. I am just not feeling very secure about who is implementing the health care reform. Everything congress touches turns to shit.
I have to sign prescription forms for my cat, for Chrissakes. This is a sure example of how congress makes laws without regard to One Size Does Not Fit All.
We never needed health care we needed to address the issue and it is still being over looked. INSURANCE
Price gouging you name it because the list is endless and it continues long after we get health care slapped on us. Fact is it is tax dollars that support medical research and a host of things and fact is we pay several times for the same shit.
And let’s be fair here. Those that want national health care can have it and pay for it. There needs to be an opt out and that should be 100% opt out. Meaning I do not have to pay taxes to support it if I opt out. I wonder how long it takes for this to tank because as many that want it there are just the same numbers not wanting it. I am betting the 51% that favor national health care are many that are not working and have not worked before the recession and are all too willing to look to me to pay up. I want to opt out.
An opt out means we all pay that bill, Utah. The cost of premiums increase yearly because of people who are NOT insured and don’t pay their bills. This increases the cost of medical services in leaps and bounds. I am in favor of health care reform and I hardly qualify as a deadbeat. In fact, I know plenty of people on single pay who would be most grateful to see their extortionist insurance companies get their attitudes adjusted. Competition is always good. Price Fixing is always bad. I already see my own insurer twitching and looking for ways to retain their clients. Funny, I never saw that before. You could be lying down nearly unconscious and be forced to use their phone menu to see if they will let you live or not. A little customer orientation will go a long way. Suddenly, they are more chipper. They are advertising cost effective policies on Teee Vee. Their attitude is getting adjusted, and quite frankly, I like it.
Hey Uppity: Sorry if this is off topic, but just wanted to ask you as a fellow New Yorker: How about that ruckus in Albany yesterday? I was laughing my you know what off watching them all scramble around like ants whose sugar cube was taken away.
Govt. run, single-payer healthcare is a disease I don’t want to face in my lifetime. The costs will bankrupt what’s left of the taxpaying public and provide lower quality care for all except the very wealthy who will pay their own way, imo.
About time, too. The BigBlueMonster wouldn’t have spit on me if I was on fire a coupla years ago, but now? I don’t want to get my hopes up, though. I wouldn’t trust Congress with a pack of crayons.
Hiya CJ! I would have laughed a lot harder if I didn’t already know for a fact that New York Republicans are just as greasy as New York Democrats. The only difference is we get to pick which party screws us and makes deals for themselves. Illinois really has very little on New York, it’s just that New York thieves tend to keep themselves under the radar better. It’s all one big happy family CJ. Bruno and Silver ruined that state long ago. The best part of seeing Spitzer trashed was the residual effect of seeing Bruno gone. But alas, they get rid of one and replace him with one just like him, don’t they?
Trusting your health and well being to these boobs and folks that support the crap they are doing is like asking a group of four year olds to clean up a candy factory while all the adults leave for the day.
I also feel very heartened to know that girlfriend slasher and animal Hiram Monserrate is still a senator and part of this “bipartisan coalition” for “real reform”—instead of serving twenty years in Rahway.
http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/2009/04/07/meet-a-new-democrat/
CJ, they are all serious pals in New York, regardless of party. Godfather to each others’ kids.
I am not too big on the comparisons to the PO and DMV. Medicare is sort of going along getting it done and if they hadn’t spent our premiums for our 42 yrs of work or whatever, it might be limping along even more smartly. They are now floating the idea that insurance will be required of everyone or they will pay a fine. Know what the genii are calling it–PLAY OR PAY. Let me think, where did I hear that term before?
Poor Joe!
Vice President Biden, on a conference call Monday with reporters, claimed that the planned Hudson River tunnel between New Jersey and Midtown Manhattan would provide a much-anticipated route for automobiles. Problem is, it’s for trains.
The man just can’t get anything right, except knowing that Hillary was more qualified than him.
I just hate my insurance company. Their “attitude adjustment” occurred during the primaries last year. They have not since then subjected me to even the slightest quibble about any claim submitted. They send us e-mails and little newsletters about how much they just looooooove us and have even called us up a couple of times just to ask how they can help and make sure we know all the fine services available to us from them. I still hate them because I know once Obama gets this passed, they will revert back to their old horse’s ass selves and start giving me a hard time about paying anything.
They will do this because anything Obama and this Congress passes will not do a damn thing for anybody except screw things up more than they already are. This will be just another gigantic piece of legislation they will slap together and pass without even knowing or caring what all is in it. I hate and distrust them even more than my insurance company.
I actually favor providing health care to everyone. I think it’s both cheaper and more humane to pay for someone to go see a primary care physician when a problem first comes up rather than let things go and end up in the emergency room. I just look at everything else these creeps have done since Obama was installed, and know they’ll fuck this up just like everything else.
The problem, or one problem, is that tjhese young kids are up to their necks in hubris–good grief, hasn’t this been fixed yet…etc. That WSJ editorial I posted someplace above takes the numbers apart…
Say what you want, but I don’t find this extortion reversal accidental..
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They get you on the front end and the back end…..The Ins co don’t pay anywhere close to the what is billed…the latest scam is “cost doesn’t meet our profile”. I suspect the payment “profile” is based on maintaining quarterly profits. If you can’t negotiate a lower cost with the providers, then you will be dealing with a bill collection agency and it’s all down hill after that.
If you are in your 50′s and lose you job or lose your insurance…good luck in getting a new policy.
OH ROFL, this man is a true moron. He makes Dan Quayle look like Mensa.
Can you just imagine if the media rode BoBo and JoJo as hard as they rode Quayle over potatoe/potato. They would turn to dust.
Yep they rode Quayle pretty hard, DE. But I swear Joe is channeling him. Quayle once went to Latin America and told him he learned Latin in Law School. Biden speaks Austrian. Same idiocy, day in and day out.
Money is not always the core reason that people do not go to see a PCP when a problem arises. There are many who wait until the problem is significant and their care is far more costly.
no uppity I think you are wrong. I have insurance available and at a great rate. Always have had. Thing is if we go to national then I drop what I have and get what I am given and no choice. See it is simple by having to pay into a national plan my options were stolen from me and the peoples options forced on me. If I were to keep the great plan we have I still have to contribute to Obamas or any other ass hats in DCs. There were many ways around this without me having to pay for others but sadly that is what we are becoming is a nation that is forced by the majority to do their bidding. I defy anyone to look and read the constitution and show me where it says we are or were a democracy. We are or were a republic and never a democracy in the beginning and democracy never works it leads to mob rule. That is where we are today.
If the ONLY reason we are avoiding going to a single-payer health plan is concern for the displaced workers, then let’s call our overpriced healthcare in America what it is — WELFARE for the health insurance companies.
There is NO other reason to retain a healthcare system that costs twice as much as Europeans spend on healthcare and yet gets dubious results.
Too much money is going into corporate profits, excessive administrative expenses and extravagant executive pay and perks.
We have lost almost one other entire industry, the auto industry, which employed hundreds of thousands of people to make, distribute and sell the American cars. Those workers are being told to go and get re-trained for different jobs — just as textile workers have been told (there are almost NO textile mills left in America today), just as shoe manufacturing workers have been told (there are almost NO shoe-making companies left in America), and just as carriage and harness workers were told years ago when cars replaced horse and buggies.
The times move on and, sad to say, we all must move with them or get left behind.
But, back to my first statement: If the ONLY reason we are retaining this supremely inefficient system of delivering healthcare to Americans is to provide work for the health insurance company workers, then let’s call it what it is — WELFARE for the health insurance companies.
But let’s never forget what Obama told an AFL-CIO meeting in 2003:
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“I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program…I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its Gross National Product on health care cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And that’s what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And that’s what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, and we have to take back the House.”
http://tinyurl.com/m3ze63
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The Democrats took all three, but now Obama says there will be no single-payer.
Obama is a wholly-owned puppet of the health insurance companies.
Obama cannot get re-elected in 2012 without the Big Bucks he has been getting from the health insurance industry — and THAT is ALL Obama cares about.
He does not give a rat’s ___ about you or me.
Well plenty of people don’t. They either don’t have it available due to preexisting conditions, or they have it available for a thousand a month. But since you can get it for a great rate, I fail to really understand why you don’t want it, considering one catastrophe could ruin your financially for life. In any event, consider yourself luckier than MOST Americans if you have it available at a great rate. That means you will have no reason to select the government option, so you won’t have to worry about Nancy controlling your health care. In fact, I suspect we will ALL have it available at a great rate before this reform thing happens. I do believe the insurance industry is about to have an epiphany!
Turtle, that’s one of his quotes. During the primary he also said we shouldn’t force anybody to buy health insurance if they don’t want it. forked tongue.
I’m also not so sure we will even HAVE a Gross National Product by the time he’s done.
Take it back would mean NO Guaranteed health care, No welfare, social security or any government program forcing a taxpayer to buy into something they do not choose of their own free will.
If people had not started pushing for this country to become a democracy we would not be needing these things and we would not be where we are today. I am all for taking it back so long as we go all the way and stop adding in our own special interests.
Remember when insurance came with the job?
It used to.
Oh Uppity. Great piece.
Uppity: re NY govt. I agree totally that the whole gang of them are completely disfunctional. I just thought it was like watching a bunch of 4th graders playing tricks on one another with absolutely no reason for it that had any value to the people of NY other than to aggravate each other and say “nanananana”. Honestly, if it wasn’t for my grandkids and kids all being here with me and the proximity to clean fresh water(another story), I’d leave tomorrow. NY has to be the biggest joke in the nation with how we are governed. Of course, the voters put these idiots in office over and over. We upstaters don’t stand a chance against the NYC conglomerate. Anyway, it was funny to see the Dems get their noses out of joint .
I’m also not so sure we will even HAVE a Gross National Product by the time he’s done.
Well — didn’t his crony Ayers want to see what is happening?
Hmmm….. the themes in his new book?
expat if possible, dunno.
Oh and let’s see — we have swine flu plus NK.
Yeah.
hugs, Upp. virtually.
Count on two things….the insurance companies will continue to make more and more money, and your taxes will increase to ensure that. We the people are being played. The golden rule has, as never before, been the guiding light of our government.
and we ain’t the ones with the gold
Being here now in my nation is like grim.
Grim, scary and hopeless.
Austrailia, Canada, New Zealand?
Where?
you know?
Where?
Novia Scotia?
Dear Uppity,
Let me tell you what Obama said (during the campaign) about how he would deal with people who do not buy health insurance.
First, here’s the question from Wolf Blitzer at a Democratic debate:
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MR. BLITZER: Senator Obama, let me just fine-tune the question, because I know you want to respond. On this issue of mandates, those who don’t, whether it’s 10 million or 15 million, those who can afford it but don’t wind up buying health insurance for one reason or another — they wind up getting sick; they go to an emergency room. All of us wind up paying for their health care. That’s the biggest criticism that’s been leveled at your plan.
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And here was Obama’s response:
SEN. OBAMA: If people are gaming the system, there are ways that we can address that, by for example making them pay some of the back premiums for not having gotten it in the first place.
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Get that?
Obama said he is against mandatory insurance, but then he went on to say that if people don’t buy health insurance, but get sick and go to the emergency room where we pick up the tab, Obama considers that “gaming the system” and he would PUNISH those people by “making them pay some of the back premiums for not having gotten [insurance] in the first place.”
You can read the debate transcript here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31text-debate.html
Oh ps Upp, the logo is on the health care plan? I saw it on the news — somebody holding the paper. It was at the top?
Hmmm…..
I thought that had just mysteriously vanished?
maybe not…..
Oh dear God let this be true.
yup exactly we are going to pay. Now fact is that there will still be illegals riding on my dime and tons of deadbeats, and then there is the min. wage 7/11 worker that could not afford it and will get subsidized again on my dime. Yea I guess the answer is quit my job and join the tons that do not make enough and rob from those that do and keep what I have a secret. It does not pay to work hard and better yourself in this country because it becomes your obligation to take care of those who did not.
oh and UW I said I do not pay to have insurance because I choose not to but that dumb ass man I am married to does lol. He pays for me and I have yet to use it because I have found that telling these crack heads that want to run tons of tests when they just told you that you have better BP, cholesterol etc then they do that you have no insurance you would be surprised how cheap care can be. I have yet to be under-cared for when it is on my dime. Now go back and walk into a pharmacy and tell them you do not have insurance and ask for the cheapest type of med that was prescribed for you and see if it is not cheaper then your deductible. Go to Mexico and get the same thing there for $$$ less. Insurance is the worst thing they have come up with besides Obama
Ok so you ARE insured. Your husband is wise. He prefers not to live un a box under the tracks should you get hit by a bus. lol.
Without insurance at all, only the wealthiest could survive many illnesses. The rest would depend on whether or not the doctor needs a bartered chicken that week.
We all are smug about all those minimum wagers.They are the people we don’t even notice, who perform services we have grown to demand and expect daily. If they were all gone, we would be bitching and moaning about it. Utah, not everybody is an Oxford scholar, some folks simply do the best they can with the skills they have. That doesn’t mean they are deadbeats. Deadbeats are people who do nothing and expect everything. There’s a huge difference. But one thing is for sure. There but for the grace of God……..
McNorman, nothing like fear to induce an epiphany.
What logo, Valentine?
Turtle, I’m not going to spend my day on it, but he also said in a debate that nobody should be forced to buy insurance if they don’t want it. It was while he was trashing Hillary for saying it should be mandatory.
Dear Uppity,
True, but it just makes my point, which is that Obama says both sides of every issue so those who want to believe in him can pick and choose from his buffet of statements on any topic.
Obama is a very dishonest person.
You….you………you mean……he’s a lying panderer?
I……..I………am …….shocked!
Now go back and walk into a pharmacy and tell them you do not have insurance and ask for the cheapest type of med that was prescribed for you and see if it is not cheaper then your deductible. Go to Mexico and get the same thing there for $$$ less. Insurance is the worst thing they have come up with besides Obama
Everyone does this, insurance or not, I hope.
The whole idea of insurance is that everyone pays, not all use it at the same time, then when someone needs it, they get it, and when the next person does, another group pays more. There have to be relatively well people in there. Obama is going to do a plain vanilla policy that does not get ya for pre-existings. The for-profits will have to scramble to get people to “keep” their existing insurance. And then the cos will start offering supplementals to the plain vanilla for those who can afford them…and we’re off to the races again. He is also for state-run clearinghouses where people can get info and compare. Hope it’s better than what I faced getting my Medciare supplemental. Very complicated. Anyhow, yes, I agree–the cos may see the light somewhat and offer better deals. It will still be a cobbled-up mess.
As for Medicare being so great, I am sick waiting to see what I will owe on that ambulance and ER run Fri nite. Even with a supplemental.
That happened to me! My insurance was charging a copay of $20 (AFTER I PAID DEDUCTABLE TOWARD AN OUTRAGEOUS PRICE FOR THE PILLS FOR MONTHS)……for pills that cost ten bucks. My pharmacist pulled me aside and informed me to stop going thru the insurance company and just pay for the pills. These people are PIGS.
Yes, there always seems to be some pharmacy deal available. I asked could I do better once. They said, sure, buy it through the state discount plan….saved me $40 a mo! I never used my ins co’s drug plan after that. I get three months of 3 meds, generic, for $8 a mo!. Now, on medicare, I had to get a drug plan for $23 a mo or else if I ever needed one, I would be penalized with a high rate for not getting it at the outset. Oh–=they get ya. No one will understand anything we get, believe me!
You wouldn’t believe the conversation I had with an insurance rep this morning. They should be afraid…very afraid. My own insurance rep is shaking in his shoes.
I don’t know who David Roberts is, but he did write an interesting post on Obama always seeing both sides on Huffinpuff. He called it “Obama’s tic.” It’s weird because the post was written in December, 2006.
Pigs at the trough.
Seeing both sides is a GOOD thing. TAKING both sides is a path to getting nowhere. PRETENDING to SEE both sides when you already know what you are going to do is just plain smarmy.
My husband’s doctor told him the same thing about filling prescriptions and paying yourself rather than ordering them through our drug plan. It was cheaper.
And remember what I was telling you all in my comment above about how our insurance company suddenly was all over us showing the love? This came in our e-mail just a few minutes ago: New exciting and effective wellness programs from Ginormous Insurance, Inc., Simple Steps to a Healthier Life.
After they get over their scare about something actually passing that would help patients, I’m sure the e-mails we get will say something like “eat _____ and die, suckers, we ain’t paying no more claims.”
always check with the Dr.get the generic 4.00.much better then the
40.00copay..
Turtle,
“I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its Gross National Product on health care cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody.”
It might if the ever-burgeoning middleman was reined in.
As typical for DC lawmakers, one hand will write the new rules of engagement, and the other will write all the exceptions so that the end result is nil.
Yes UW, highly likely, the extortionists will continue the nicey nicey and hopey it doesn’t changey to their demise. A little competition does tend to scare the bejeezers out of strong arming. Amazing that antitrust regs have not come down on them.
Yup Star, although the plain vanilla/generic plans may make headway, they eventually will not satisfy many customer’s healthcare needs or wonts, and then we will all be back to bidding for more with our tiny reserves under our mattresses. Or even bartering with chickens like UW says.
So how much is an MI worth? Two chickens? A goat? Some beans? Or all of the above? Will an appendectomy cost a couple of clams and lobsters?
I am not smug about the minimum wage earner hell I was one for years until I decided to get off my ass and do better. I never went to college because I could not afford it and had parents that felt it was a waste to send a female to college and opted to send their sons and hoped I would marry well. Fact is I married lazy white trash and I learned the hard way to better myself. But in the mean time when my son was injured and faced with losing his hand I still did not seek taxpayers help to fix it I worked the night shift at the local A&P to pay to have it fixed.
I am insured and have been for 18 years and as of yet have to use it. I think he is a moron for paying 18 years of premiums for nothing. He can take me to the hospital but can not force me to stay or accept treatment unless I were unconscious and then he had better hope I die.
Listen the way life is going in the US is enough for me to welcome death seriously. I am so upset daily at what folks are tossing out and what is being forced upon me that life is no longer fun.
I can not live a quality life these days. I have to live as others mandate I do and to me like Patrick Henry said ” give me liberty or give me death” I guess you know the option I have chosen.
Might sound like a nut to you but fact is all I enjoyed from life has been or is being taken at an accelerated clip and I am unable to live life on my terms as our forefathers designed it. I have to now live in a bubble as others decide I should. My money is not mine until what is taken out to fund others has been done. I am forced to wear a seat belt so I do not fly through my windsheild and hit you, lol and worse yet I have to drive any vehicle I get into with the seat as far forward as it can go yet do not have the right to disable the air bag that they say will in fact kill me, everything has to be made of approved material or pass some snobs codes these days and if that is living I care not if I go quickly.
“He can take me to the hospital but can not force me to stay or accept treatment unless I were unconscious and then he had better hope I die.”
No no no utah, your wisdom provides lessons to all. So keep using the seatbelt. We wanna keep hearing from you. And congrats on rising through the minimum wage ranks. Many like you endure the frustration of working hard for years, just to see the fruits of their labor years out, snatched by many tiny grubby hands, because you have better circumstances now. Ugh…
I have mandatory car insurance, mandatory business liability insurance, and mandatory homeowners insurance. I can’t afford anymore mandatory insurance. Pretty much all we do anymore is work to pay taxes and insurance premiums.
yttik, yes, too much mandatory. Insurance and other “mandatory” fees and rules, seems to drive overhead so high, people wonder why the cost of doing is business is so high.
I just have to wonder why everything has to be done in such a hurry???? If the idea is a good one, it pays to get it right not rush and have a major f up like the stupid stimulous that had to be “now or never.”
cats, that is Obawma’s modus. Create the semblance of an emergency that requires some sort of emergent response. Like the quote in the post says, he wants to rush this thing through …” a goal that has eluded presidents for decades — in a single summer.”
Fact is I did use the seat belt back when cars first came out with them. See I did not need a law to force me to be smart. Fact is I carried auto insurance since I first got my license back in 71 and long before some morons decided to give power to a business. You see back then they competed for your business and gave you great rates you could afford now that they no longer have to compete and it is a law all carry it we are getting screwed to the hilt. Same goes with health insurance. When it became mandated for employers to provide it and for folks to have it competition went out the door and the screwing began.
There was a time long long ago when folks minded their business and not everyone else’s . You might not have agreed with their choices as to how to lead their lives but you did not force it upon them.
Now it has become fashionable to force others to be you. I am not you and I do not want to have what you do or live just as you do and I do not feel you should have the right to tell me to.
But I am one of few that feel folks have the right to live as they see fit to live without me interfering and forcing my will upon them. If I did you would all be driving large trucks, able to fence your yard as you want to , grow what flowers and trees you want and if you wanted a broken down car sitting in the middle of your yard who am I to tell you that is not acceptable ? I can move or if the city allowed it build my fence tall enough to block it from my view.
Uppity, you really need to read my blog more often
http://daysofchange.wordpress.com/2009/04/07/day-154/
Snopes.com Urban Legends shows how that’s not true about Quayle.
Something like 50% of Americans either have government jobs with health insurance, are on public insurance or military/VA benefits. 15% of Americans are uninsured. That means 35% of us saps are the ones using employer or private based health insurance plans. The problem is that the private plans and the governemtn plans are in the same system. The veteranary health care system is almost completely private, non-insured and out of pocket. Look how low those prices are.
We need competition. If ther eis a government option, employers will feel less pressure to insure workers and everyone will need to use the “option,” making it de facto single payer. EVERYONE should have to pay for some of their health care. Even if you have to cap it at 5-10% of your income. People need to have an incentive to make reasonable choices.
Yup and when government runs it there is no incentive to do better or to rise above. Why would you when some dumb smuck will pay it for you ?
Quayle was an idiot, P4. I winced every time I saw him open his mouth. I’m not too sure Snopes means a whole lot to me though, but I’ll give you that one simply because it’s the end of the day and I’m tired.
Utah, why not just take an AK 47 to the blog and get it over with.
Hell my vet ain’t cheap, P4. Not by a long shot. But I suspect he’s smarter than my doctor, for what that’s worth.
Burdening businesses with the cost of health insurance is a MAJOR reason they have sent jobs overseas. It’s just too damned expensive.
Uppity Woman, on June 9th, 2009 at 1:43 PM Said:
That happened to me! My insurance was charging a copay of $20 (AFTER I PAID DEDUCTABLE TOWARD AN OUTRAGEOUS PRICE FOR THE PILLS FOR MONTHS)……for pills that cost ten bucks. My pharmacist pulled me aside and informed me to stop going thru the insurance company and just pay for the pills. These people are PIGS.
Now see why I do not use insurance. This also goes for most tests like blood work ups , urinalysis, gyno visits you name it because I have tried it. Amazing what the hospitals and doctors will do to get paid. If you walk in and tell them you are uninsured and have cash but need the bottom line price because your credit is bad you would be amazed.
My husband just did a physical this way lol to prove me wrong and get me to use insurance and he walked out amazed he was charged $ 40.00 for blood draw, pee test and doctor exam. Last year his insurance paid upwards of $ 800.00 for the same stuff. Guess who is laughing at whom ?
I understand catastrophic illnesses and all I do but again bottom line is that many things a doctor would like to have done is not covered and you are back to where we started.
I agree with utah to this extent. Health insurance should be insurance and not a handout. It should kick in when you have thousands of dollars in medical bills, not so you can have a $10 co-pay for every doctor visit.
My car insurance has a high deductable and is only really effective if I get into an accident with a lot of damage. I don’t buy gas insurance that allows me to pay $2 per gallon no matter what the price of gas is. Same problem with prescription drug coverage. The price of drugs goes up because gold plated plans started covering it. So, then every plan had to cover it because they became unaffordable. Nearly everyone will use a prescription at some point. It just a cost of living. Not everyone will get into a serious accident or develop a life-threatening illness.
Ahhh…here we go again…the news headlines are just too much to take. I just wrote my Dem Reps (waste of time as they are Obama Puppets) and put it this way this time:
“Hi, I am a registered Independent who traditionally labeled myself “Liberal;” and voted Democratic. The current administration is converting me into a Conservative planning to vote Republican in the future unless the Democratic Party starts putting a stop to this spending madness. Please vote against any more spending if you want a future vote from me. I am not the only one who feels this way. Thank you”
Ok – so what I voted McCain/Palin in 2008 – before 08 the above was true except when I voted for Ross Perot
cats,
They can forgive you for Perot. A vote for Perot was a vote for Clinton.
I miss Bill Clinton.
Great article Uppity. There’s no easy answer is there. Greed always wins in the end.
The big unions are gearing up to fight a congressional plan to tax employee health benefits.
P4P, that was funny! (and true)
Purple People Vote had an interesting post and link to a WSJ article about this. The article takes a hard look at the fuzzy math (e.g., ‘assumptions’) being made to develop the budget proposals for health care: http://Bullmoosegal.blogspot.com
Thank you P4. Finally someone sees it. Listen let’s go to medicade. Before they started waking up they were paying hellacious amounts of $$ for every smuck on it to take kids to the ER at what cost to us for a common cold.
Odd how folks rarely saw doctors when I was a kid except for yearly physicals and shots ( something I would rather have missed myself lol) and oddly many were not insured either and the whole thing cost you near to nothing. I remember my dad paying for our dental visits because they were cheaper then it was to insure.
Not the same today it is about equal.
Fact is demand creates a whole new thing and that is upswing in price and greed to make more and so when we forced insurance on folks we took our options away and handed them to the insurance companies. They no longer had to beg for you as a customer they were served you on a plate and then began the gouging and along with that came the fraud and readiness to make a buck.
Once folks got insured they became less careful. If you got the flu before insurance you took care of it now you think nothing about running to the doc and getting medicine. Antibiotics ? LMAO many folks could no longer fight an infection without medical intervention. Life is a crap shoot folks seriously. Catastrophic illness do hit sure but also is genetics. Many are predestined to die young or or have things go wrong. Many are not but now they will because going to a doctor to get treated and given drugs is a new sport.
Sorry if I am ruining your blog Uppity I can leave. NP and no ill feelings. I am used to it lol.
Some folks do not understand me and why I feel like I do but I do not want to have you angry.
Just think about the laws of supply and demand
Not allowed to leave Utah. There are rules. The rule is once you comment you must keep commenting or we come get you with the hook.
P, I would be thrilled to have catastrophic health insurance at a lower price. I would be more than happy to pay for checkups and the like. The thing is, they won’t let me to it. I have coverage for pregnancy, P4. I can tell you here and now that if I were to have a baby, I would name it Miracle at this point in my life. Or as a minimum I would name it Surprise! But I still have to pay for pregancy care and well baby care and all the crap I don’t need. So do you, P4, and that would REALLY be a miracle. I have to pay for drug treatment too, even though I can tell you with damned accuracy I am never going to need treatment for drug addiction. I wish I could check off what I want to cover and pay accordingly, but I can’t do it.
Oh cripes, I just agreed with Utah. Now I’m gonna get it.
you know, socal,the unions are starting to crack me up. Where the hell do they think we are going to get all the money to make them rich while doing middle class work? Out of our asses?
I led you to agree with utah. I’m scared.
Bullmoose! You were in spam. What did you do wrong, girl?
Utah might just need the insurance. You see even picturing Uppity pregnant almost sent me into cardiac arrest. I laughed so hard I think my aorta got crimped. ROFLMAO
You see auto policies and medical ones before giving power to these goons by forcing everyone to carry it had options. I maintain anytime we vote power to business we are screwed.
not the first time you have agreed with me sista roffffffffff
If everybody is REQUIRED to have car insurance, then how come we have to pay extra in case we are in an accident with an UNINSURED person?
Dear Utah.
Shut up.
There will be punishment.
“Miracle” – LMAO!!!!
Utah (we love u) said “Catastrophic illness do hit sure but also is genetics. Many are predestined to die young or or have things go wrong. Many are not but now they will because going to a doctor to get treated and given drugs is a new sport.”
WHO is getting ready to declare a Level 6 pandemic. Killer flu will re-appear as a very deadly strain in the fall. Truckloads and boatloads of toxic flu shots will be waiting for us then. This will solve a lot of the governments problems and create less mouths to feed. Just sayin….
I don’t know though, Surfer. That flu tends to kill young ones. I would think he would far rather get rid of the poor and old people. They’re such a burden to his brave new world.
Interesting thread, gee I seem to have missed quite a bit!
As for the health plan, haste makes waste so they say. I’d rather have a good workable plan than a half ass plan, but that’s just me.
As for Utah’s assertion on drugs and tests. Those things are true up to a point. If you by chance need some lab work seriously check out the prices on mymedlab dot com and compare that to what your insurance company pays…but many doctors will not accept outside lab results, wonder why??? But, but , but…Utah the whole thing will go south on you if you happen into the hospital…you should definitely pull out your insurance card there!!!! Of course from your other posts, I’ll assume if you enter a hospital you will be unconscious, LOL!
Drugs being cheaper than the co-pay, so true in some cases. We were more than half way through my daughter’s treatment when we figured out that two of the drugs were cheaper without our co-pay. But that was only two out of many, many drugs that were FAR less expensive with our insurance policy.
I’d like to believe that our fearless leaders are going to come up with great plan with plenty of choices…..and I’d also like to believe in pixie dust, leprechauns, and fairy god mothers. I bet I get glass slippers and a pumpkin carriage before I see the health care – insurance issues resolved! Color me a cynic.
Yea I have to wonder why it is that the 20 year olds and under are killed by it. Could it be all the antibiotics that they have been fed ?
Hell do they have a cure for anthrax ? More concerned about that since we will not shut our boarders or more concerned about glowing green if the nuke does not get me first. Yea maybe we do need insurance for health but I think getting rid of Obama would be far healthier right now. Impeachment anyone ?
So very much enjoy the utah posts. Pragmatic.
The point, I think, of insurance, any insurance is to spread the risk. When you get a comprehensive plan its just that…comprehensive. You’re not paying for pregnancy tests that you’ll never get or well baby check ups sans the baby.
I once worked for a ski resort and a man called and demanded that we offer a discount for middle aged single working people. He said we had a child’s discount, a student discount, a military discount, a senior discount and a group discount and it wasn’t fair that there wasn’t a discount for him. I said, then who would pay the regular price? He said, it didn’t matter we were discriminating against him. I said, if we discounted you, the regular price, that would lower the regular price so all the other discounted prices would have to be lowered again, so they would be discounted from the lower which would mean that your price would again not discounted so we’d have to lower your price and then lower all the others until we finally would have to pay you to ski. He said, he’d be fine with that.
The supposed “theory” is that older people have acquired an immunity to many of the flu strains but honestly, after they’re done tinkering around with this one from their trial run in Mexico, no one will be safe, especially older people.
They’re the ones who are retiring early right now because of the recession and are tapping into Social Security funds. And the crap that they’re gonna put in the vaccines is gonna be lethal….better to go lick the ground in a dirty new york alley…
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LOL well after my Pop decided in 1960 to take the whole famdamily to the doc and get the shots, and after suffering the worst case of flu only 12 hours later and lasting longer then any I had before or since I will opt out on any flu shots until the Mighty one decides to declare Marshall Law and force me in.
Uppity Woman, on June 9th, 2009 at 11:17 PM Said:
If everybody is REQUIRED to have car insurance, then how come we have to pay extra in case we are in an accident with an UNINSURED person?
Don’t know about NY or even Utah for that matter because I am still registered in Nevada, but have you been down to the DMV and are they on a number/letter system in your state ?
Sit and watch if they are it is hysterical . I is insurance violation and they put them right in front for all to see when your number is called.
I am betting with so many unemployed and unemployment insurance not allowing for cost to insure yet you do have to be willing to travel up to 100 miles for a job to keep getting benefits you will see chaos in this system to and most likely a new bailout.
I carry uninsured and you do not have to but you would be smart to and underinsured too. I also have 1/2 a mill on any passenger in my vehicle because if you read the minimum liability standards in each state you are going to get screwed and you will need an attorney and there we go yet again. I pay an insurance premium the size of most peoples mortgage payments but after the other company, lawyers etc get done with me I stand a good chance of being able to by a smart car after my truck is totaled. LMAO
Hey seriously many do not have insurance and find the fine they get every 6 months is cheaper. In Nevada you are checked through DMV once every 6 months and if you did not have insurance in that 6 months you pay a $ 250.00 fine. Had a neighbor that felt better paying that every 6 months compared to the $ 387.00 she was shelling out every month to the insurer.
Of course if you are stopped you would get that fine sooner lol or if you are in a wreck I wonder if the fine is increased or what they do then she never was lol. But down in that whacked out state it is a matter of time.
P4 is in deep do do cuz Uppity hates having to agree with me on anything lmao. Not really she likes to play that card lol.
Every now and again we agree politically every now and then lol.
I can’t handle flu shots either. The last time I had one was twenty years ago & I promptly got the flu. I’ve never been the “hale & hearty” type but I’m healthy enough if I take care of myself, and since I’ve been homeschooling the past several years & working at home, I rarely get sick…until last Nov. I took my elderly Dad for a checkup @ Kaiser & after arguing with the NP for half an hour over his taking Vitamin E (I’m for, she’s against), she decided he needed a flu shot, which is fine for him, he gets them every year. He had already had his flu shot 2 weeks earlier, which I kept telling her, but she kept insisting it wasn’t in his record, my Dad held out his arm & she gave him the shot. Naturally, he came down with the flu, which amazingly didn’t kill him, but he coughed all over me, I got the flu and was sick for the next 4 months. I’m just now starting to get my energy back. Kaiser later admitted he had already had a flu shot, amazingly enough, but the NP didn’t bother apologizing for her pigheadedness.
You add color utah! Besides, I think Uppity likes a lively site.
I love that phrase…whole famdamily!
Had a neighbor that felt better paying that every 6 months compared to the $ 387.00 she was shelling out every month to the insurer.Had a neighbor that felt better paying that every 6 months compared to the $ 387.00 she was shelling out every month to the insurer.
Where the hell do you live that you or someone is payiing over $4k/yr for car insurance?
But that’s why you carry (or I do) uninsured motorist ins. That way if in an accident and the other person doesn’t have ins. or enough I’ve got coverage for it. Yeah, it’s shitty but better than the alternative.
Shoulda asked how many DUI’s did the neighbor have that car ins. cost that much. WOW!
Regarding the health ins. issue. Oh man, the Blues have been advertising like crazy in AL and also it seems in LA when I read the sites from down there. I’m also hoping this is the ins. companies trying to make nice with consumer so that dreaded public option doesn’t happen. However, even if I get a private policy, if the public one opens up and is remotely cheaper or better I’ll be interested.
lol in Las Vegas NV. land of the drunken Californians rof ( don’t take offense) I have two pick-ups that cost me $ 489.00 a month to insure.
Daughter lives there has one and pays two hundred something a month. NV. is one of the nations highest . I have never had a ticket in my life or wrecked. Not saying I did not deserve several tickets mind you lmao.
I guess that is what you get when booze flows freely 24/7.
utahwoman: My god that beats luziana! I was paying about $700/twice a year. When I got up here to Alabama my premiums were halved! I increased my coverage on comp and uninsured and when premium was due for June for 6 months it was like $380 or so!
I asked the GEICO guy why so cheaper here in B’ham since metro population was about the same as NOLA and he said there was less insurance fraud in AL compared to luziana! LOL!! I can believe it!
I think there are at least two obvious points to obama’s rush. First, he plans to flood this country with immigrants, particularly Muslims, and he wants the insurance toward them here the way it has lured them to Britain and Sweden. I’ll been a buck that any government insurance will be compatible with sharia law.
Second, I still believe that swine flu is going to make a devastating comeback by fall, and he wants to force people to take vaccines , which will make a lot of money from him and his friends. Hell will freeze over before you get me to take any vaccine you’re pushing, bozo.
surfergirl,
The resurfacing of the flu this fall is exact one of the point I made my comment that went astray because my e-mail address. obama wants the insurance in place in time for the swinr flu epidemic that he is assured we’ll come back this fall. Then he can cull the herd while he and his friends cleanup on the toxic vaccine.
The other reason for the rush is that he is preparing to import millions, and millions, and millions, of immigrants, especially Muslims, and he wants the government insurance in place to lure them heren the same way it has lured them to countries in Western Europe such as Britain and Sweden, and to Russia.
President Obama: “I want a health care plan on my desk by August”
Well, I want obama to resign by August. I bet we both won’t get what we want.
My husband just did a physical this way lol to prove me wrong and get me to use insurance and he walked out amazed he was charged $ 40.00 for blood draw, pee test and doctor exam. Last year his insurance paid upwards of $ 800.00 for the same stuff. Guess who is laughing at whom ?
So you paid more on top of premiums to prove insurance companies were greedy? Am I missing something? Who would do this?
Star if it was the beginning of the year and deductables weren’t met, they probably saved money paying the forty bucks because if they billed the insurance company at a huge rate, these people would have ended up paying far more than forty bucks.
Wish I had thought of that when i was paying a deductable before prescription coverage, which also included a copay. I ended up paying thirty bucks for pills till I met the deductable, PLUS a twenty dollar copay for pills I got on my own for ten bucks. It’s kind of like that.
I see a lot on here from someone who is fortunate enough to have good insurance and is still knocking having any. I must have brain fever today.
I have already weighed in on asking your pharmacy what the best deal is. Everyone should. Phone co too–every three mos.It is no secret that you can get cash medical treatment cheaper or at least at the level they charge ins cos–they try to make cash people pay full price until they squeak. I didn’t get that post. Utah and hubs have insurance…why pay more to make a point everyone knows? I guess I misunderstood. I’ll shut up–this isn’t tracking for me at the monent.
I think the point in that case was that it cost them LESS to just pay for the tests than to pay their “share” of the charge to the insurance company, which would have been much larger. It’s just one more example of how insurance companies rip you off in addition to their premiums. It’s not just prescriptions apparently.
I think the point in that case was that it cost them LESS to just pay for the tests than to pay their “share” of the charge to the insurance company, which would have been much larger
Not the way I saw it–but I am slow today. Didn’t they come in saying they had no insurance to see what it would be…I should go back and reread, I guess. Oh, well, it’s a big internet, people operate all diff ways. On my old insurance, I never got charged for labs above my $800 a mo premium and had no deductible.
ok let me see if I can make a bit of sense as to why I opt not using insurance. First I rarely seek medical help as I am disgustingly healthy thus far other then Lupus which there is no cure for and I have learned to manage on my own. Back when it was ravaging my body I went through so many types of treatments unaware that none were actually going to fix it just provide some type of releif. This was back when I trusted doctors without question. I had gold shots, enough cortisone injections to allow me to win the next twenty Olympics, anti malaria drugs that make you horribly sick btw even some cancer drugs. Racked up tons of debt in just co-pays.
Even went as far as to have me fogged with morphine. Yes it is an extremely painful illness when it flares up and shooting yourself in the head actually crosses your mind rather then to live like that.
So while I was in pain, young and stupid I allowed myself to go through just about everything medical science could toss out at me and one day just short of committing suicide rather then live this way I tossed the drugs out and thought I have to get better quality of life then this or I will end it. Amazingly 24 hours after tossing out the drugs I started to feel somewhat better. I was not throwing everything I ate up, the pain really was not there and the bloating was starting to go down. One week later I was felling great. I hurt some but it was not anything some aspirin could not handle and those god awful migraines had stopped.
Now head cleared from the drug fog I looked at bank accounts and insurance billings and thought I owed the national debt. It seemed hopeless because I was convinced I could never be very productive or truly get ahead because I was sick. Darn near went back to get morphine to go back to sleeping bliss but something deep down said NO ! My real undrugged self kicked in and said you can and will do it and beat it.
I read all I could regarding the treatments I had undergone and all I could about the Lupus and treatments and outcome. NO CURE stuck in my head then saw the damage and side effects from the treatments and about went nuts.
So when I went in to my Rhumatoligist to ” talk” about what I learned I was politely told that if I went AMA he would drop me as a patient. Never saw him again.
Saw a small town country Doc later and he listened to me , told me what he knew and believed and gave me a script for 1000 MG Noproxin sodium aka Alieve over the counter. Never felt better. It reduced the pain and swelling and I was ok. Imagine that ?
That was 30 years ago and to this day I still take them and am as active as can be. I do have flare ups and they do knock me out of lifes arena from time to time but only twice have I been dragged off by hubby to hospital.
Last time he did it they transported me via ambulance to other hospital, not once did a doctor listen to me and understand I was not having a heart attack but was suffering from swollen cartiledge on the ribs placing pressure on the heart causing it to seem like heart attack symptoms. This if not treated can in fact cause a massive heart attack and I was trying to get them to take the x-ray and confirm it and they were instead hooking me to heart monitors, giving me morphine which I had clearly stated I do not want, not getting a rhumatologist in which I asked for,and further not getting readings other then heart beat itself that indicated heart attack.
Not listening to me and putting Morphine into my IV and allowing me to lay in ER bed well over 8 hours with occasional heart readouts I am sent upstairs to a room. Morphine wearing off, pain in chest killing me and temper flaring I called my daughter and son in law at 2 AM and told them to come get me or I was walking home since my purse and cc were there and there would be hell to pay once I got there.
They did and next day I went to a GP and told him what was going on and mind you when your heart is constricted like that you can barely walk across a room , he ordered X rays and bingo just what I said was going on was and he was amazed that the Hospital would not even check. 3 Cortisone shots in the ribs and one day later all was well again. Cost for hospital was unreal. 11 hours of treatments I had refused yet given, room, er ambualnce totaled $ 27,000.00 hope hubby enjoyed paying that because what I paid for the GP visit and shots was less then $ 100.
Oh evewn after checking myself out I was hounded to come in and take the stress test, and lol a colonoscopy , gyno exam and tons of crap seriously.
For kicks and giggles I went to a doc several years ago and even brought my records from past. Handed hubbys insurance card and he insisted on redoing all tests for Lupus and of course several others to boot.
Walked into another docs office said no insurance cash only and he took my records and asked what he could help me with today. I said need another script for the 1000 mg NP and he said sure.
$35.00 visit.
Ok we get it. You don’t want insurance. There, I did it in one sentence.
Star, insurance policies are not the same. This case is most probably NOT an HMO, but more the traditional type.
Yes, true–I don’t get the connection between bad or offhand treatment in Utah’s case and not wanting insurance. But as I said, I am slow. And she has it anyway! You can refuse tests or treatments and still have insurance. All the treatment I get is bad. Look at my eye. Even with Medicare, I could not afford gallbladder surgery if I decide that is why I was so sick Fri nite. The doc in the ER, I learned, has warnings in his file…what do I make of that? I am rechecking his results at urgent care–not that they have sent the results yet, mind you.
ok what you do not see is if you tell them you have it cost is way up and amount of tests they want to put on you go there too. Money not health.
So if you go to the ER, you would say you have no insurance? Here is a related story:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124460090649600963.html
Related somehow–I am not even sure how anymore.
If the point is that they overdo tests to get money, I would prob agree. If the point is that people are better off with no insurance, I would not agree.
Ok here is how I feel. If we did not just do insurance, a one size fits all thing and if we do not go to national health care but instead fixed the broken screw up we now have and and force insurance carriers to offer policies based on consumer need instead.
I might not be as articulate as many here but if policies were offered for say catastrophic illness only
pregnancy policies only
family plans that cover accidents like broken bones etc and the consumer could choose what coverage they need or want and what they do not want it would decrease the fraud and cost greatly and the push by doctors and hospitals to go for things not needed.
Insurance was great once before it became an out of control mess it is today and many who think they are covered are really not.
Take Homeowners policies. You really never know until you have a major issue weather or not it is in fact covered. Many folks do not understand what they were sold.
You know how many things fall under ” Acts of God” ?
Many do not know until it happens that if your house burns and you go to get your insurance money it is not replacement value it is depreciated.
Why all the fine print you need a microscope to read ?
Make them print it clearly so the most uneducated can understand what they are being sold and stop the one size fits all policies.
I do not mind having coverage for catastrophic illness but I do not want their eye care it sucks at best and it is something I pay and never use because it does not meet my need one bit.
Auto insurance again is the same a one size fits all. Sure you can get more coverage but that is if you can afford the higher premiums and it still boils down to they will short you.
Total a car you might come out ok so long as you carry a separate policy ( gap) and another called replacement value.
Many think they are covered under the standard one size fits all.
Then you need an attorney to get compensated for trade in loss that will occur if it is wrecked and you trade it in and they run a car fax.
It is like so many things in the states today the means are here in place already they just need to be fixed and not a new program made.
Not sure how homeowners fits in. The point us that a lot of people have to pay premiums to even out the payment of claims on any insurance. They can’t just take well people or people likely to stay well and keep most of the premiums as profits. By coverage for catastrophic illness, you may be talking about high deductible insurance…that is presently kicking people’s ass and causing bankruptcies.
Oh, well–interesting discussion.
yup we do not connect ok so be it.