GOP’s trans-vaginal probing device.

…..Otherwise known as trans-vaginal ultrasound.  See Fredster’s most excellent post over at the Widdershins covering how the State of Vaginia Virginia has passed a law requiring all women have this procedure before an abortion. 

Imagine getting raped by a psycho and being forced to undergo this procedure as a reminder of what a slut you are for asking for it. One would almost have to visit the Middle East to feel such love from your government:

 

Now let’s see. What do you call it when somebody inserts an object into your vagina and forces penetration against your wishes, again? Oh don’t worry, the GOP is going to re-define rape. Darell Issa will hold a hearing on it. You know you want it! In fact, Dana Loesch has cleared this problem up once and for all.

They had no problem having something similar to a trans vagina procedure when they engaged in the activity that resulted in their pregnancy.

No kidding. She said that. See the rest at above link.

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222 Responses

  1. The GOP has finally Jumped the Shark. Too bad the Dems are just like them, only sleazier – because they PRETEND they care.

  2. Theres a twitter hashtag replacefilmtitleswithvagina. The entries are hilarious!

    #ReplaceFilmsTitlesWithVagina

  3. They are getting scary. The right and the left are destroying this country with their cliff dwelling insanity. WHere are the centrists? Wimmenz rights FCS. WTF and OMG. What year is this?

  4. Foster Friess apologizes to anybody who “misunderstood” his “joke”.

  5. The Reptilian Party has become the pseudo-Christian version of the Taliban.

    The Dinocratic Party has become what the Republican Party used to be, before the Talibangelicals took over the Republican Party.

    We need a new, real, Democratic Party to replace the old one.

    However, I don’t have the slightest idea where we’re going to get one.

    I had some hopes for the Occupy Movement [*dodges rotten tomatoes* :P ], but I despair of their figuring out how to solve what Sara Robinson (IIRC) called “The @$$hole Problem”–what to do about the predators such movements can attract. :(

  6. We don’t need a new democratic party. we need to throw the hijackers out of the democratic party and ship their asses back to their fringe parties.

  7. The Reptilian Party has become the pseudo-Christian version of the Taliban.
    ***********
    They both start with the same basic play book. The fundies remove the dietary rules from Leviticus and what left is what they want to be the legal code for the USA. The smarmy fundie preachers wearing a gold Rolex and $2000 suit will smile and say I may not always agree that women are basically chattel but this is GOD’s word and that’s the way it is!!!

  8. I thought the hijackers of the DP were mostly former GOP members who got run out of their proper party when the Talibangelicals took it over. :???:

  9. What does this probe procedure cost?

    Poor women struggle to pay for birth control pills or condoms. They have to beg, borrow and steal to come up with payment for an abortion. And now they have to cross state lines or pay for this mandated ultrasound if they live in Va.

    I’ve considered retiring there someday. I like the coast and the Charlottesville area. This is so backward thinking it is unreal.

  10. We would be throwing out a vast majority.

  11. I see sophie and myself at Hillbilly’s place. You all go over there or there will be punishments!
    http://theconservativehillbilly.wordpress.com/2012/02/17/everbody-is-welcome-here-on-the-hillbillys-porch/

  12. Karen wherever there is a republican majority state, you gotta expect they are interested in your vagina. It’s kind of a vicarious thrill thing.

  13. I am screwing on my tin foil hat here…but I honestly believe all this is Kabuki Teatre by both parties to scare the “wimminz” into voting for Obama. Then he can continue to ruin the Democratic brand while Republicans pretend he is a socialist. Obama has made policy that
    Libs would have crucified Bush over. But here, nary a peep.

  14. My sister lived there and they knocked on doors for Webb. He won by a tiny margin. They always said if a Rep. got in there would be trouble. Not any better or worse under my States old dem governor or the current Republican one. I swear people act like it is sports. the red team vs the blue team. We The People lose when the wing-nuts at the far ends take over.

  15. Here are the prices. Poor wimmenz will die in back alleys.

    http://www.newchoicehealth.com/Directory/Procedure/60/Transvaginal%20Ultrasound

  16. “What does this probe procedure cost? ”
    ***********
    A coupe of years ago, a friend called and asked if I knew where to go to have an abortion. Last time that I was involved with abortion was in the late 60’s and 70’s and it was no big deal back then. So stupid me, I said call your OB/Gyn and he can prescribe the “pills”. Well that went no where, so after a little research, it turned out that there is only one “full service” abortion clinic in the state.

    I went with her to the clinic, the protesters were well behaved, and pass through a metal detector, and got frisked by an armed guard. The place was packed and the staff was very supportive. To get to your question re:cost……$600 cash for everything, including ultra-sounds, drugs, and D & C if needed. (Despite what the rethugs/fudies say, that clinic wasn’t making anyone there rich)

  17. Ani, don’t be ashamed of the Wrap Cap. Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean you don’t have any real enemies to go along with the imaginary ones. ;)

    ************************

    That pic at the top made me think of a line (out of context) from the old Jefferson Airplane song “Plastic Fantastic Lover”:

    “All the red tape is mechanical rape”. :evil:

  18. I’ve been thinking about the Medicare for All idea. On the one hand I like it, but on the other hand, I wonder if it would have financing problems.

    I think all during our working years, part of our taxes go to some CMS/Medicare fund…..? And of course, once we retire, before we’ll even get our social security check each month, the Medicare premium is taken out. So when we get Medicare, we have paid into it.

    But if they make Medicare for All, how will it be affected by the fact that not everyone works, some don’t work much, some work under the table and never pay into the system.

    It just makes me wonder, if we had Medicare for All, wouldn’t it face the same funding problems as Obamacare is going to….? And if so, then probably it will face cutting of benefits so that everyone is covered for SOME stuff…..?

    Anyone know?

  19. Monster, I used to love that group – but I knew them during the “middle” phase – Jefferson Starship. Then after that they went to just Starship and I don’t know if I happened to listen to them much anymore. Hmm…. think I’ll open up my itunes folder right now and do some listening to drunk Grace lol

  20. Ani, I’ve wondered about that , as well…

    I’ve realized that when a politician I think I have some respect for (they seem to have such principles, and they really fight for what we both believe in) then stands up for the party for basically doing something I do NOT agree with, I used to think, “oh, they just believe so strongly in the party, maybe they don’t want to unnecessarily alarm the party masses, they’re just trying to make the best of it, they’re just trying to preserve our party overall, because even with some missteps, they’re the best around”, etc, etc.

    Now I’m feeling more and more convinced both parties are the same (ie, do the same things to their own followers, AND are the same in that they’re basically working together to manipulate the masses) – so now I can’t rationalize anymore. If they’re truly working together, if they know a lot of this (maybe all along, not just now) is kabuki, some kind of attempt to manipulate us – then the principles really arent there! Then I can’t delude myself that person X or Y is really there working for us – all that is left is that they’re just there for THEMSELVES! They’re playing the game, because they want to keep their job. And that’s all there is.

    Oh, I’m becoming very cynical lol

  21. lorac, Medicare for all would work so much better than what we have now and what we didn’t have before now. Everyone would have to participate because you need the young and healthy mixed in with the older and chronically ill. You also need people out of the emergency rooms and onto a plan that includes prevention. Hillary’s initial health care plan seemed to be based on this model.

  22. karen@10:31: I would imagine the clinics would try to absorb the cost of the ultrasound if at all possible.

  23. I first became familiar with JS, too. I learned about JA in retrospect. (I was born in 1963.)

  24. O’Reilly just played a clip of Jon Stewart making fun of Obama, but Stewart worked in that Obama is so smart. Why oh why do people keep that myth alive?????? He hardly attends his own meetings, he reads off a teleprompter, if he had had good grades, the narcissist would have shown them proudly. Stop the myth!!!

  25. Obama can read. To that bunch, that makes him smart.

  26. Ani said: am screwing on my tin foil hat here…but I honestly believe all this is Kabuki Teatre by both parties to scare the “wimminz” into voting for Obama.

    The bills in Virginia in both the House of Delegates and Senate were sponsored and introduced by two women. Their legislature has also now introduced a *personhood* bill like the amendment which failed in Mississippi.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/14/fetal-personhood-virginia_n_1276824.html

  27. Hey I got airplane’s vinyl.

  28. Eh what the hell.

  29. SophieCT – but how would that be different than Obamacare? I don’t expect you to have read the 2400 pages, I didn’t, and I know no one who signed onto it read it, either! It’s just that Obamacare has already stolen 500 million from Medicare to help pay for it, and that’s just a bandaid, it’s going to need more. How would Medicare for All get better financing? That’s what I can’t figure out. (Maybe there IS a way, I just don’t know what it is, and I’m no expert in these types of issues…)

  30. I see sophie and myself at Hillbilly’s place. You all go over there or there will be punishments!

    I tried and my two comments went into moderation. No biggie on my part.

  31. So this is the same party that is outraged that people would be forced to buy health insurance because it’s unconstitutional, but making women pay for ultrasounds is perfectly fine, right?

  32. Whaddya mean, “what the hell??? UW, that’s a BEAUTIFUL song! I LOVE that song!

    One time when I went to Russia to study, I brought my Jefferson Starship tapes, and some Russians convinced me to sell them to them, as well as my blue jeans! (it was still the USSR then, they didn’t have that kind of thing then – didn’t even have tshirts other than regular men’s undershirts!) But Miracles always reminds me of that, selling the albums lol

  33. Fredster, he’ll fish em out. First comments. Like here.

  34. It just makes me wonder, if we had Medicare for All, wouldn’t it face the same funding problems as Obamacare is going to…
    ************
    The bottom line is that the only financial viable way to provide health care is a single payer system. Of course the Devil is in the details. With Obamacare basically a fraud that benefits the insurance companies, at least 30% of the money coming in goes for overhead, billion dollar comp. pkgs for CEO and to pay back investors; not for health care. That around $400-500 billion a years sucked out of the health care system. The insurance companies then base their coverage on maintaining profit margins so the level of denials will go up to keep profits up, etc, etc,.

    The real bottom line has always been, Republicans think that health care is a privilege and Democrats used to think that it is a human right. The insurance model works for #1 but can’t work for #2. If the Dems and Rethugs continue on the defunding Medicare scam, it will bring down the whole health care system.

  35. Hillbilly’s probably out drinking half a case of Keystone.

  36. UW, very clearly it’s unconstitutional to mandate MEN to do or buy anything. You can force chattel to do anything, no big deal.

  37. The stray cat and I are dancing to Jefferson Starship :)

  38. SHV is right on the button.

    Life and death should not be dependent on a stockholder’s bottom line either. Health insurance should be not for profit. It’s the only way some thieving CEO can’t kill people.

  39. lorac, I said what the hell because I was going to post an OT video and start a wild friday night.

  40. lorac, Her original plan (Bill’s presidency) was more like Obamacare is. But I thought that in her presidential run she was offering a single payer system, which initially sounded like Medicare but later she was saying that we all should have what the Senate and Congress have.

  41. I know I’ve posted this before, but saw it over at riverdaughter’s and remembered. Do you think we would be putting up with this Obama bargaining chip shit if we had a real president?

  42. What a hypocrite that Smith is. He fits in well.

  43. SHV – well, that makes sense – I’d momentarily forgotten, but I do know he gave it all to the insurance and pharmaceutical companies – matter of fact, I remember he had meetings with them WHEN he was coming on TV telling us he wouldn’t be caving to them.

    So it sounds like Medicare is better run with fewer “middle men” steps. But now, I’ve heard the “socialistic” health programs in Europe are in financial problems – is that true? If it is, do you happen to know why? Maybe they’ve incorporated too many paper pushers, too… I know a lot of Europe is in financial trouble in a lot of ways, so perhaps healthcare is a casualty, ie, perhaps their solvancy isn’t the original problem, but a symptom of the larger economic instability..?

    On a related note (how expensive medical costs are**) – I’ve meet people through work who have been injured because of a car accident caused by someone else. They always hope that the other person’s car insurance medical liability will pay for their hospital stay. They don’t realize that it costs so much every day in a hospital, that other driver’s car insurance would never come anywhere close to paying the hospital bill.

    **having said that, of course, medical costs wouldn’t be so high if much of the money weren’t going to the paper pushers

  44. Uppity–I saw that. She is fabulous.

  45. I’m in moderation at Hillbilly’s blog, too.

    I wished him a good weekend and everything. I even posted a country music video.

    I am taking it very personally.

  46. lorac said: It’s just that Obamacare has already stolen 500 million from Medicare to help pay for it, and that’s just a bandaid

    Actually it was 500 Billion and it wasn’t stolen.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/sep/12/michele-bachmann/did-president-obama-steal-500-billion-medicare/

    What got a lot of people pissed off was this part:

    Then there’s another $136 billion in projected savings that would come from changes to the Medicare Advantage program, an alternative to traditional Medicare that has turned out to be much more costly than expected. About 25 percent of Medicare beneficiaries are enrolled in a Medicare Advantage plan.

    A goodly number of elderly signed up for “medicare advantage” programs. They are/were advertised as saying you didn’t have to pay anything extra and there were no deductibles, yadda, yadda. However there were tradeoffs: you had to see *their* doctors, go to *their* hospitals, etc. And there were freebies in there like free eye exams, health club memberships, etc. As a result the govt was paying those plans more than they did the docs and other providers enrolled with traditional medicare. The govt simply decided to cut the rate of reimbursement to those medicare advantage providers.

  47. UW – oh ok lol Don’t worry, I won’t cause you to do any cleanups!

    well, as long as NES and vivien don’t show up and get me in trouble! lol

  48. “Health insurance should be not for profit. It’s the only way some thieving CEO can’t kill people.”
    *********
    I’ll make a mild defense for the insurance companies; they are in business to make money not deliver health care. Insurance is to hedge a bet that something will or won’t happen. Most people have fire insurance but few have their house burn down. Everyone needs health care, the only question is how much and how to pay for it. That isn’t a problem that “insurance” can solve.

  49. I was going to post an OT video and start a wild friday night.

    With beverages??!!

  50. Yes SHV and that’s my point. Whether people live or die should not be a bottom line business. Health care should never be a stockholder issue. The only dividends to providing health care is to keep people healthy and alive.

  51. “The govt simply decided to cut the rate of reimbursement to those medicare advantage providers.”
    ********
    Medicare “advantage” programs are the highest profit margin “product” that insurances companies sell. One reason AARP pushes them so much. Ten-15 years ago 10% of AARP revenues came from shilling for insurance companies, now, IIRC, it;s close to 90%.

  52. UW – oh ok lol Don’t worry, I won’t cause you to do any cleanups!

    I’ve heard that song before.

  53. Fredster – well, I didn’t mean “steal” in the literal sense lol

    Well, what I see is that they’re taking it from future Medicare costs, and doing it by projected savings by cutting other things – but “projected actions” often don’t get taken (but SAYING you’re going to do it helps you out in your current predicament!) – and then when Medicare needs more money for more people, they’re going to have less money to meet those needs than they would have it that money hadn’t been taken away in anticipation of the projected changes…

    But I do hope they can make cuts if it is cutting waste. It’s too bad they couldn’t use that “newfound money” to further help seniors, though…

  54. If Congress would put back the 2.6 TRILLION they stole from the social security pot and dumped into the general fund for their special projects, neither medicare or social security would be in trouble. Congress robbed our money and put non negotiable worthless paper in its place. Don’t try this at home, you would go to rahway for life. Instead, these thieving pigs call this an ‘entitlement’ so they can punish their VICTIMS. Everybody who ever voted to steal money out of those pots should be stripped of their assets and thrown in prison for life. Their assets should then be sold and used to replenish the people’s money they had no right to steal.

  55. Glad I missed that country video Beata! lolol. It’s like with this blog. If you are new and make a first comment, you are going into moderation. Only it’s friday night and hillbilly is probably downing a quart of beer as we speak..

  56. SophieCT – I had heard that when she put forth her original plan (as first lady), that the Heritage Foundation (conservative think tank) came up with their own version. Then I heard that Massachusetts’ and then Obamacare were more like the version the Heritage Foundation came up with. So I guess I don’t know which her version is more like.

    Did you ever see the flowchart, the algorhythm (sp?) they put out for Obamacare? Does health care REALLY have to be that complicated???? Sheesh.

  57. It only has to be that complicated if the rentiers have to get their billions.

  58. I thought I heard someone say party…

  59. Congress shouldn’t be allowed to get any more raises until that money is returned. W

    We should talk to their bosses – oh wait, they’re in charge of voting themselves their own raises.

    There’s so much we should all be marching on Washington about. I’m going to start talking to young women I know, see what they think about what’s going on with women’s health. Might be worse than I think – they may not even be aware.

  60. Uppity, Keystone?! I do believe you called that one exactly right!

  61. “But I do hope they can make cuts if it is cutting waste. ”
    ********
    It’s been awhile since I reviewed the numbers but there is waste, fraud and financial abuse in Medicare but compared to the big picture, the dollar amounts are peanuts. The dollar crunch comes where the really hard choices need to be made. AS

  62. I have two in moderation over there.

  63. oops…

    “But I do hope they can make cuts if it is cutting waste. ”
    ********
    It’s been awhile since I reviewed the numbers but there is waste, fraud and financial abuse in Medicare but compared to the big picture, the dollar amounts are peanuts. The dollar crunch comes where the really hard choices need to be made. As an example, IIRC (don’t hold me to it) but roughly 70-75% of Medicare cost go to people with 5 or more chronic health issues. The proportion of these patients is relatively small compared to the total pool of Medicare recipients. Who/how are the decisions to be made to deal with this and similar issues???

  64. Yeah I just left a comment to Hillbilly to let my people out of modereation before the rebel.

  65. But we can’t deny medical care to people who need it most, right?

    I’m aware of several 85 y/os who recently had total knee replacements. The little red devil on my left shoulder thought, gosh, that’s a lot of money for something that won’t be used for very long, maybe they could have just started using a wheelchair instead? But then the little white angel on my right shoulder said, well, maybe they were in incredible, incredible pain, and this replacement will soon (after recuperation) take that away – bad pain relief seems a very valid reason for me to see them spending money for that.

    Yeah, I don’t know, There will be very hard decisions to be made.

    I just know I won’t feel good about older people getting shafted for normal aging ailments so that we can pay for the brain injuries and broken bones from younger people doing stupid things (car accidents, jumping off buildings, getting into knife fights – all unnecessary injuries) while drunk or on drugs.

    (sigh) Not that they shouldn’t be helped, too. It keeps coming down to the old “deserving vs. undeserving (poor)” – you certainly don’t want to shaft the deserving – but you can’t just leave the “undeserving (ie, stupid)” without help….

  66. Only several, lorac. Hell those seniors are all bionic now. They just don’t give a shit either.

  67. The truth is, we have the medical technology to do those things, yet we want to reserve them for all the rich boys and girls and that is just plain wrong. The problem here is we have greedy insurers have made health care too expensive for even the middle class now.

  68. I know this has been said a million times before here – but goshdarn it! It takes TWO to make a baby – or rather, to create the circumstances where the egg and sperm meet – but they throw it all on the woman, because she’s the one who has to carry the consequences! If men’s contribution was more than a spurt, if THEY had to carry and nurture a life inside, “paternal” health care would be covered, and the men’s morning after pill would be all over the place!

    It is SO WRONG for these decisions to be made by men who aren’t involved past the first moments, and also shouldn’t be made by anti-contraception women!

  69. lorac: there’s been lots of discussion lately about the exorbitant health care costs on the last year of a persons life. It’s about a quarter of the total cost of Medicare.

  70. Yeah well when members of congress let their mothers die because they cost too much, then we are talking.

  71. As a matter of fact, when the let THEMSELVES die because they cost to much, then we are talking. How much money do you think Sen Lautenberg has cost the system? Arlen Specter? How about Ted Kennedy draining the pot?

  72. “that’s a lot of money for something that won’t be used for very long, maybe they could have just started using a wheelchair instead? ”
    *******
    More typical examples of 5 chronic diseases would be for example: a 75 year old smoker with chronic lung disease, vascular disease, heart disease, diabetes who’s kidneys have now bought the farm and now needs chronic dialysis. Or a person with advanced cancer who wants everything to be done. Similar patients who have been treated with a combination of surgery, radiation, chemotherapy at a cost of $500,000 to 1 million dollars and on average had their lives prolonged for an additional 4-6 months, with a few who lived longer than a year. What do you do? The only sure thing is that the entire GDP of the US wouldn’t pay for max medical care for everyone.

  73. I’ll probably get smacked for this, but when a guy with as much money as Ted kennedy is using medicare and draining the pot, he ought to be paying more for medicare. A lot more. I have no problem with medicare being means tested for premium costs.

    ………..ducking and running.

  74. I can’t tell you how many seniors I know who spend several days a week dropping the bucks at casinos who bitch and moan for free stuff constantly, always looking for more — while others are barely able to pay for their meds. I’m sorry but there is something wrong with that picture. On this one, I lean left. I say means test medicare premiums.

  75. Of course, if they did means test medicare, the middle class would get shafted first.

  76. SophieCT – I hear what you’re saying – I think I might have heard it’s in the last 6 months of life…? I think sometimes it takes a patient and family a while to get to the space where they are more focused on quality of life (as in, does our love one HAVE any).

    Sometimes people are kept alive but they can’t really speak for themselves anymore. They usually don’t have a medical power of attorney in place, which lists what their wishes are (what procedures they would NOT want done, ie intubation, etc) and who they trust to make their medical decisions. But since most haven’t done one, it’s left for the family to decide. But if the family isn’t in agreement, then no steps can be taken toward moving toward palliative care rather than further aggressive medicine.

    So, I suspect some money (maybe still peanuts, but some!) might be saved if most people DID have an advanced directive. Of course, some will still want to be DNR (do not resuscitate), but others don’t – for example, sometimes older people say they would not want cpr, because at their frail age, cpr would probably crush all their ribs, and leave them in a lot of pain. Some people say that if lifesaving them would involve being intubated, they don’t want it, because it isn’t pleasant, and they’re generally sedated if they’re intubated so there again, where is the quality of life – they’d be losing prescious time to be able to commnicate to others that they love them and say goodbye. But back to my point – if the advanced directive hasn’t been filled out or can’t be found,and the patient is in altered mental status and can’t speak for herself, then the MDs need to keep working to save life (unless the family is all in agreement about what to do, then they can transition the patient to hospice and focus on alleviating pt.s pain.) But most of the time, it seems the family is dysfunctional, they all have different beliefs about what should be done – so it grinds to a halt.

    So everyone – make sure your medical (and financial) power of attorney forms are done! :)

  77. A lot of this is because hospitals love squeezing that last dime out of a patient’s insurance. Whem my father was back and forth to hospitals,, every time he went in, a whole bunch of doctors were trolling after him for irrelevant expensive tests that could kill him. I caught a cardiologist with him one day and he was going to give my father a stress test. My father wasn’t in condition to make decisions and he always let doctors do anything to him. I went batshit on this doctor. My father was DYING of leukemia and this bastard was going to give him a chemical stress test for his heart? I finally put my foot down and told the hospital that NOBODY was to do ANYTHING to my father without talking to me first.

    Then came the issue with my mother. She was in a hospital 1500 miles away and I was traveling a lot, I don’t need to tell you. She was in skilled for awhile and one day I get a call ‘reporting’ to me that my mother signed a DNR. I will tell you that my mother may have been sick but from the neck up, there was NOTHING missing. Her body was falling apart but she knew where all the bears went in the buckwheat. She also made her wishes VEry clear to me. So this snotty twit from the hospital tries to indirectly guilt trip me into thinking I should reverse her DNR. I’m telling you these hospitals will keep a person vegetating for the bucks if they can.

  78. UW:

    I can’t tell you how many seniors I know who spend several days a week dropping the bucks at casinos who bitch and moan for free stuff constantly, always looking for more — while others are barely able to pay for their meds. I’m sorry but there is something wrong with that picture. On this one, I lean left. I say means test medicare premiums.

    But UW, we don’t know in this example if all other things are equal. The second set of people may have high copays for their meds, or perhaps the meds they need aren’t covered at all and they have to pay out of pocket, so they don’t have enough money to do anything fun once in a while.

    Maybe the first set of seniors don’t have many medical needs, relative to the second set?

    When you say means test medicare premiums, do you mean means test medicare benefits itself? As in, if they’re rich, they don’t need Medicare at all, we can throw their benefits back into the pool…?Because then we’d be in the position of taking something away from someone who paid into it their whole life. I read somewhere that it wouldn’t be legal (?) to take something away that was already “bought”.

    And I’m not sure some little old ladies throwing money away at a casino is necessarily RICH lol Some people buy fancy tvs, computers, etc. But some other people are more into “experiencing” their money and like that gambling on the slots thing. My sister LOVES to play the slots machines, but she always plays the penny games – a lot of people do. they’re just having fun, excitement you might win something, even if not much, but that machine is going to start honking and flashing and the excitement is there for them!

  79. No I don’t think benefits should be means tested. Premiums are what I’m talking about.

    Another thing about my mother. She had a stroke and there she was, my brilliant mother, staring at the ceiling, and I had to listen to options these morons wanted to try. She was as good as dead and I knew my mother. She would have killed my ass if she woke up for five minutes and found me keeping her alive like that. She made it a whole lot easier on me by SIGNING HER OWN DNR. I beg of all of you, sign your OWN DNR and NEVER put your kids in the position of having to say STOP! Because when it’s your mother, it has got to be a HORRIBLE decision.

  80. Foster Friess apologizes to anybody who “misunderstood” his “joke”.

    I’ll have a small Friess with that drawing-and-quartering.

  81. UW, we may have different sitations in different areas of the country, or just in different hospitals.

    The one I’m familar with – they start discharge planning the minute the pt. enters the hospital. If they are uninsured, the business office gets right up there to help them apply for either CMS or Medi-cal (Medicaid elsewhere).

    The social workers meet with them and address their issues – substance abuse, non-compliance with meds, not having a PCP (primary care MD), working with the community to find housing for the homeless who are discharging with non-acute medical needs (and the hospital pays a daily rate for them to transfer there). Need more care in the home? Get them info on senior alert buttons, free daily calls to see if the elderly patient is okay, hook them up with IHSS (in home support services if they have Medi-cal), Domestic violence – get her hooked up with a dV shelter where they can work with her to get her life back together. Set up a follow up appt. for a pt. who has no PCP at a low cost clinic. Send HH (home health) for a time out to the house, to make sure the house is safe, to monitor their health status during their recuperation, to make sure they’re taking their meds, PT to make sure the joint replacements are getting exercised because sometimes the seniors don’t work through the pain, and then instead of having a new knee to walk on, instead they retire to a wheelchair. Send notices to the DMV about seniors who shouldn’t be driving because they’re having intractable seizures and causing accidents, injuries to themselves and others, and provide them with alternative ideas for transportation, some provided free by churches. Basically, the idea is to get pts set up with community resources so that they don’t have to keep coming back to the hospital.

    And they would rather they not come back to the hospitals, because hospitals are overflowing. They’re always trying to get people out very quickly – oh, especially the trauma docs. You should see how hard it is to get approval for a psych consult when it’s a trauma pt – no, no, that will take too long, we need to get them OUT!

    So, honestly, I have no idea how its done in hospitals in the east, but out here, its in and out! Like I said, the hospitals even pay another facility to care for injured homeless people (whose medical needs are no longer acute, so they don’t need the hospital) so they can have a clean environment to continue recuperating in, and that program also works with them to find any benefits for which they may be eligible, may get them into a board and care, maybe get them off the fire water!

    But they definitely don’t keep them in the hospitals for very long here.

    The only time I’ve seen hospitals keep someone a long time are in situations- for ex: where the person is non-weightbearing on two legs, has no family, and the only friends are tweekers who would not be able to take care of her. The hospital signed her up for CMS, but that takes a couple of months to get put into place (and it fell through the holes they didn’t even start it until two months after she had arrived). They can’t pay for her to go to a room and board, because a person has to be independent, which she isnt, and they arent wheelchair accessible. To top that off, she will probably go back to another state once she can walk again, and then this hospital won’t be reimbursed by CMS, because to be eligible to have CMS, you have to have an intention to remain in this county. So I know her bill passed a million dollars a long time ago, and it will never be paid, but everyone keeps helping her, trying to get her back closer to how she started out (don’t know if they can fix the drug induced brain damage though)

    So they don’t keep them in very long here, plus sometimes they keep people in, for whom they won’t get paid, but because it’s in the best medical interests of the patient.

  82. I want to buy a transvaginal ultrasound for Friess and his Sanitarypad.

  83. Oy, sorry for the novel lol

  84. I’ll have a small Friess with that drawing-and-quartering.

    Bahahahahahahaha.

  85. NES – nah, maybe they should have to have a nice large ultrasound FOLEY inserted into their orifice. Maybe it could have some barbs on it….

  86. UW – sorry you had to go though that experience with your dad.

    Was the stress test to see if he could maybe handle a leukemia drug that might affect the heart….? It seems like often stress tests are done to see it the person could handle a procedure or medication….

  87. lorac@1157: Oh I knew that and I was only trying to bold the B for the billion and put in some other add’l info.

    However, a lot of seniors who are on those medicare advantage programs got upset with the idea of the lower reimbursement rate to those programs. When that happened they lost the “freebies” (freebie = someone *else* is paying) like the free podiatrist or free eye exams and such. But medicare was paying those programs more than they ever expected so they were trying to rein in those costs. Also, some people on those advantage programs have had rude awakenings. An acquaintance of mine had her mother in the hospital, had a fall or something. Well, they wanted to put her in a rehab unit. She was on the advantage program and that program would only cover 20 days of rehab. Regular medicare with a supplement will cover many more days and the supplement picks up the co-pays that medicare charges after the 60th day. The seniors in the plans loved them though because they didn’t have their medicare premium taken out if I recall correctly. Those $$s went directly to the advantage program.

  88. No lorac, according to the cardio guy who was just one of too Effing many specialists who were trolling him, his heart seemed to be ‘irregular’. Now mind you he was so sick with leukemia even transfusions didn’t help any longer. Let me tell you something else. On his last hospital trip, and on the the day of the night he died, I went up to the hospital and some bastard gastro guy had scoped him. He was delirious while they were sheepishly wheeling him in. I had forgotten to give them their leave my poor father alone orders. I’m telling you, these bastards troll the emergency room and follow them up to their room and start invasively killing them with these totally NOT relevant or helpful tests. Cha Ching.

  89. Yes I think that before they get their viagra they should have a nice long tube stuck in their dicks.

  90. We haven’t heard much from Sanitarium today. He must be making another baby for the vatican.

  91. I tell you if you do not have an advocate when you are that sick, you are DEAD MEAT.

  92. NES said: NoEmptySuits, on February 18, 2012 at 2:04 AM said:

    I want to buy a transvaginal ultrasound for Friess and his Sanitarypad.

    Make it about the size of a large man’s fist. ;-)

  93. Lorac: Thanks for liking my post! :-)

  94. I still like the idea of shoving an automatic umbrella up their asses and then hitting the Open button, then telling them to pass it, so they can experience the joy of childbearing.

  95. Uppity said: Yes I think that before they get their viagra they should have a nice long tube stuck in their dicks.

    The other choice is to have their prostates checked…digitaly by a doc since sometimes the ED is caused by prostate problems. Now digitaly doesn’t necessarily only mean one digit. Could be two, three, four, whatever it takes. lol

  96. hitting the Open button, then telling them to pass it, so they can experience the joy of childbearing.

    OWWWW!

  97. Fredster, how about with a bowling ball?

  98. You’re a good writer fredster. If I didn’t love madamab so much, I’d be jealous she saw it first.

  99. Yeah. I think that whole Issa A string panel should have the umbrella treatment. Especially the rabbi who likened my personal body choices with forcing him to sell pork. And that Bishop.

  100. Upps: That would be a *lot* of lube necessary! :lol:

  101. No lube. It’s against my religion.

  102. Make it about the size of a large man’s fist.

    Yeah, a fist encased in chain-mail.

  103. Roseanne for President is the only antidote to The Vagina Wars now upon us.

  104. Yeah, and don’t expect The RC Church to pay for the procedure either!

  105. Question: How much does it cost to repair a torn a*shole?
    Answer: 10 million dollars.
    (Adelman just dropped another 10 mil to help Newtie recover from Mittens’ rape.)

  106. Uppity@2:47. Thanks so much. That means a lot coming from you. I’m going to be doing posts at TW on Wednesdays. MB has gotten overwhelmed with this new assignment with her job and she asked me to “spell” her a bit. I have some ideas of things I’d like to post about so I’m going to see how those go. I also like the idea it’s giving my brain a workout. LOL!

  107. No lube. It’s against my religion.
    Yeah, a fist encased in chain-mail.

    Whoa! This is a tough crowd here. I definitely do not want to get
    you all pissed at me!

  108. Question: How much does it cost to repair a torn a*shole?
    Answer: 10 million dollars.
    (Adelman just dropped another 10 mil to help Newtie recover from Mittens’ rape.)

    Spfffffft!! Gotta clean the computer screen now.

  109. Spfffffft!! Gotta clean the computer screen now.

    HAHAHAHAHA. Upps will be sooo J.

  110. Oh well, I’ve got to call it a night/morning.

    We have rainy weather/thunderstorms rolling in and I’ll need to run errands before it gets too bad. Sounds like it will be a miserable day.

    Nite y’all!

  111. NES, can women in VA file suit against this scrimy law? Doesn’t it go against the spirit of roe v wade?

    Issa is despicable. lorac, isn’t he the one that started the Gray Davis recall? Becuz he wanted to be gov?

  112. Sure there’ll be a suit, socal. But, “the spirit” of Roe v. Wade has been so watered down, the challenge may not succeed. Remember, there’re six Catholic men on the Supreme Court, sworn enemies of all Roes.

  113. Holy cow, you guys are prolific tonite. It took me forever to get thru the thread, then there was a whole ‘nother slew of comments.

    When I posted on Hillbillies, it went into moderation until the next day when he got it out. I think he has everyone under mod until they’ve posted.

    fredster, I went over & read your post. Excellent. You’re a good guy.

  114. 6 Catholic men?!?! Oh geez…that is so wrong.

  115. Oops, sorry… make that 5 Catholic men (1 Catholic, liberal, woman).
    Here’s an article on how it’s a majoritarian Catholic court: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/05/27/sotomayor.catholic/

  116. I’ll note that unlike you lefties here, my comment at Hillbilly’s went straight through — no moderation for me! It’s ‘coz he knows I’m a Beavis and Butthead fan.

  117. Interesting makeup of the SC. And they decided that corporations are people? (was sotomayor one of the supremes then?)

  118. Yes, she was. But, that was the usual 5-4 split of cons vs libs.

  119. Yah! Col. Martha McSally for Prez! http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/02/17/col_martha_mcsally_says_shed_like_to_kick_rick_santorum_in_the_jimmy.html

    Expressing the ‘love’ for Sanitarypad that all women feel!

  120. Haha! Thanks for that NES! Loved that!

  121. McSally is my new hero Shero.

  122. Mom will love Col. Martha McSally.

    If she wins Giffords’ seat, the male Congresscritters will have to wear cups. After all, politics is a contact sport, boys!

  123. Gawd, this newest Kennedy looks 15. Bobby’s grandson – http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/joe-kennedy-iii-announces-run-for-barney-franks-seat/2012/02/15/gIQAk2qZHR_blog.html
    Bringing sex and drinking binges back to DC, as only a Kennedy can.

  124. Hey, Upps, I predict yoy’ll be riled by a frame in BabyBobby’s video. (Hint: a modern version of what they have in Holland.)

  125. Welcome, socal. Nighty ‘nite.

    Looks like Upps has gone-a-ribs-ing. (Let’s hope she’s not violating any Church policies on birth control…JesusMaryandJoseph.)

  126. Romney should build an ad around this in the GE:

    Bawaaack – the self-styled Black JFK – won’t like it.

  127. Wow. NES, I don’t know how you find this stuff, but appreciate your colorful links always.

  128. Eh the R’s are letting a girl run because they know damned well that if Gabby can, she will be coming back to take her slot again. Otherwise those boys would be running a guy. It’s all strategic with them. They hate women and only use them whe absolutely necessary. ditto of the Deocrats by the way.

  129. Study blames women for being under-represented and discriminated against in academia’s important “science” professorships. It’s their biological clock that’s the reason. It’s their own damned fault and they really just want ot have babies.
    http://tinyurl.com/85zxmat

  130. Oh FCS! That Kennedy clan is so egomaniacal they just can’t stop trying to own America. All of them capitalizing off of JFK and Bobby. Really, somebody tell them being elected is not a family business. Can’t blame them though, they lost their family business when bootlegging went out of style under big daddy, Joe.

    Check this guy out, he’s combing his hair like Bobby. Cripes these people have no shame.

  131. “Congressman Frank has done so much for Massachusetts and America during his service in Congress

    Oh yeah he made a huge impact. We will be paying for his huge impact for the rest of our lives too. They ought to give him Fannie Mae as a retirement gift.

  132. Hillary knocks it out of the park on that CSpan Chris Smith video. The look on his face as his shotgun argument gets blasted to smitherines is great.

    That woman is a champ with wrangling ideas and righteous words, especially when it is to protect atrocities. She cares. He is just posturing.

    SHE is the one we’ve been waiting for!

  133. Karen. And still waiting for! I so admire that woman.
    Ups, I posted on Hill Billy and it went through with no problems.
    Oh, by the way, did you ever go to bed last night?

  134. Yeah I went to bed WLM. I know it’s rare. hahahaha.
    Basically, I’m a 5 hour sleeper. Doesn’t matter what time I go to bed, I sleep 5 hours and that’s it. So if I go to bed at, say, 10 PM, I am going to be up at 3, so you can see why I don’t go to bed too early.

  135. SHE is the one we’ve been waiting for!

    Yes!

  136. I’m afraid we have to be realistic and give it up on Hillary as President. What we don’t have to do is forget why. Or forgive. These two things I will NEVER do.

  137. Playing catch-up here.

    Sophie, That song, Mony Mony brings back the best memories. Dancing around my grandmothers backyard with my first “portable” record player spinning that single. Grabbing a tennis racket and pretending it was a guitar. The good ol days… sigh.

    NES thank you for that Kick him in the Jimmy vid. Still laughing!

  138. It’ inconscionable enough, even criminal, that they skewered Hillary for a dolt, but then they skewered women besides. I hate them for this and that won’t go away. I wish them all everything they deserve so long as it’s not good, and it looks like they are getting it too, wandering around looking for crumbs.

  139. upps, she will not be too old in 16. I am not going to give up on her for this year either. Who will the candidate be if obama is forced to leave the white house for whatever reason?

    She will sleep a few weeks and run like the wind for 8 years. She has Dottie’s genetics.

  140. You may be right but the truth is, we had best worry about the trashing of America and the ensuing depression we are about to endure at the hands of whichever useless dolt becomes president in November.

  141. Karen, my fantasy is that she’ll storm some event with Enough is Enough as the background music and announce.

  142. Dana should talk to an incest victim. Preferably one that is a child to explain herself stance to.

  143. Not sure if this is current, but here is the number for the Congressional switchboard…calling Tuesday

    Switchboard operator:
    (202) 224-3121

    Oh, and for all the donations being asked for by my former party, I think I will return them in the postage paid envelope with a note saying that when they start supporting women’s rights again instead of pretending to support them, then I will donate.

  144. My fantasy is I will win a $300 million powerball lottery. But alas, I shall have to go on As-Is and pay attention to the reality of Here and Now. Because the chances are slim and none that this fantasy will come to fruition. I see the Hillary situation kind of like that. I’m going to focus on the horrible truth in front of me. The horrible truth is we have no good options for November. I’m just trying to figure out if it’s possible to downgrade Horrible into just Terrible instead. And even that’s not easy.

  145. My latest comment to Hillbilly:

    John you are in soooooooooo much trouble. Uppityites’ comments have been in moderation for too long and they are plotting against you. Most currently they are seeking to deprive you of beer and tractors. You know they can do this, John. Don’t be coming to Aunt Uppity for help. It’s going to be painful John. Very painful. We’re talking force-feeding of French wine John. And Mozart. It’s going to be Very bad for you, John. Very bad.

  146. McNorman, obviously incest victims asked for it. You know how girls are!

  147. NoEmptySuits, on February 18, 2012 at 4:04 AM said:

    I’ll note that unlike you lefties here, my comment at Hillbilly’s went straight through — no moderation for me! It’s ‘coz he knows I’m a Beavis and Butthead fan.
    well good for you. :)

  148. Okay, I posted on the hillbilly site. I wince every time I look at the graphic on this post!

  149. I don’t know what’s happened to my gravatar. I keep trying to change it back but it doesn’t take! :(

  150. Just wanted to say sorry for the delay yesterday at getting tall of your wonderful comments posted. I thought I had allowed all comments to post with out moderation, but I guess I saw the word “moderation” and screwed it up somehow. Thanks to everyone here at UW’s house. All of you folks are great. I proudly call you folks friends, and would break pork rinds and beers, and boxed wine with UW, anytime. And if any of you get to central Cali, look me up, and I will make good on my offer. Maybe that is why I will never be voted in as president.

    John D. Heaton III
    p.s. NASCAR’s first race is today The Bud Shootout…gotta love the anything that is called that!

  151. My comments went straight through over there. Like NES, he knows I’m a fan as well. Hillbilly’s up now, and has fished everyone out of moderation.

    imust, thank you, I was wondering what happened to your pie-face.

    And about the post… I know Virginia is fcked up in more ways than I can ever think of. It’s where I live, I like living here. I can’t think of anywhere else I’d rather be.

  152. Reblogged this on theconservativehillbilly and commented:
    Ok, while I don’t agree with this post by my very good friend, I am rebloggin’ it to add a different view on the subject.

  153. Yes viv, I am up, had to work a very long day yesterday. I much rather would be just gettin out of the hay after a long day of beerin’ and searin’!

  154. I hear Hillbilly. They’ve been working me real hard lately. All work ‘n no play makes Viv a dull girl.

  155. vivein2u said: And about the post… I know Virginia is fcked up in more ways than I can ever think of. It’s where I live, I like living here

    I was born there, but I know what you mean. Same for me with nola.

  156. Ok Hillbilly, so you don’t agree with the post, which means you think it’s okay for them to do that to your 13 year-old sister if she were brually raped. I’m sure she won’t be anymore emotionally destroyed being forcibly probed one more time, right. But forget that. Let’s talk Commerce Clauses. You agree it’s wrong for Obama to force everybody to buy health insurance, right? It’s wrong to force Americans to buy something, pay for it if they don’t want it, right? Well then why exactly is it okay to force a woman to pay for a service and undergo a service they do NOT want? Does the Commerce clause only apply to things you don’t want or do they also apply to things I don’t want?

    Take your time. I’ll wait…

  157. Issa is despicable. lorac, isn’t he the one that started the Gray Davis recall? Becuz he wanted to be gov?

    socal – sometimes my memory isn’t as good as other times, but what you’re saying sounds right. And then Arnie popped in, right?

  158. Boxed wine. I’m going to die now.

  159. It’s wrong to force Americans to buy something, pay for it if they don’t want it, right?

    Does this apply to wars, aid to nations with honor killings, “farm” subsidies for congress critters whose hands never touched soil, and those kinds of things? Or just stuff that women need and the Christian Taliban doesn’t?

  160. Yes lorac and socal….Issa was behind the Davis recall which gave us Arnold. Issa thought he’d be the governor, but tpb thought otherwise. Issa cried during a news conference over it all.

  161. There should be a “class” clause (or maybe some better name) – so they can’t implement brand new rules that cost so much that it means that lower income people (women in this case) can’t comply – and will then have to have a child they don’t want, maybe one conceived of rape or incest.

    If people REALLY cared about kids, they wouldn’t force people to have kids they don’t want. They could not take care of themselves prenatally, and give birth to a brain or otherwise damaged child, they could neglect it when older, never teach it to have dreams, raise them in poverty where the only role models are criminals – either way, the system (our taxes) will be paying for their special ed or jail. Ergo, these anticoncraceptive people do NOT truly care about kids. Let alone caring about women.

  162. It cries…..

  163. hey, imustbeagreencreaturewithantennasandatail – we want our pie back! lol

  164. If people REALLY cared about kids, they wouldn’t force people to have kids they don’t want.

    Or force other taxpayers to pay the the medical bills for people who are irresponsibly breeding beyond their means.

  165. Upps said: Boxed wine. I’m going to die now.

    Hey he could have offered you homemade likker, if you get my drift. The kind that’s aged in the barrel uh oil drum for um, 2 days.

  166. Ok so you don’t agree with the post,

    Upps, you didn’t get that from what I said, did ya??? I totally agree with you. I’m just sayin I live in a fucked up state.

  167. No viv, I was talking to Hillbilly.

  168. Virginia isn’t for lovers anymore.

  169. Thank dog. Cuz you I’m crazy about ya. I love your writing, I do. I agree with about 110% of what you have to say.

  170. Does this apply to wars, aid to nations with honor killings, “farm” subsidies for congress critters whose hands never touched soil, and those kinds of things? Or just stuff that women need and the Christian Taliban doesn’t?

    It’s kind like the We Believe In Individual Rights thang. What they mean is the rights they approve of. All other rights aren’t rights. Hope this clears things up.

  171. WordPress has new stuff. Notifications… Reblog, what’s that?

  172. “What I do in my private and personal life is my own business … we’re not hiding or ashamed of anything. I intend to continue to earn the trust of the people by talking about the real issues,” Babeu said.

    …and what us wimminz do in our private lives is your business too, right?

  173. Wonderful post. This is a disgusting turn of events. The ultrasound is already required before abortion in Texas. The law was stopped by a federal judge (appointed by a Republican President), whose decision was overturned by the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals.

    So Texas women, including rape victims, are already facing this.

    All we have to do is to keep voting out incumbents who support such measures. If the new congress critters do the same thing, vote them out, too. Rinse, lather, repeat. It cannot happen unless reasonable women and men vote.

    djmm

  174. Hilarious comments about the Arizona link, Upps.

    I see Viv has a new gravatar pic. She is a cutie!

  175. From The Hill article:

    An outspoken critic of the Obama administration’s Fast and Furious program and a surrogate for the Romney campaign, Babeu said he never threatened his former lover with deportation. But he acknowledged that there had been a relationship, and the fallout from it required his lawyer to intervene.

  176. imust, thanks. That whole episode really pissed me off at the time. I remember they got it going by having a screeching fit about car registrations going up, then they put up a special election that must have cost taxpayers hundreds of millions, to oust the legitimately elected governor. Before that was Enron screwing the state with Dick Cheneys blessings. I remember hearing a lot of talk about Cali secceeding at the tiime. Remember the rolling blackouts?

  177. socal, you’ve got me blushing over here. I just changed it this morning. You’re the first to notice out loud. Thank you. I wasn’t sure I was going to keep it.

    California, Virginia, Arizona… What state ain’t screwed up right now?

  178. Ah see I’m reading that John McCains mother is 100 years old now. Based on our health care discussion, how come she still gets medical care? Is she cost effective? Of COURSE she is! YOUR mother, however, is not.

  179. I agree with about 110% of what you have to say.

    Guess I’ll have to try harder.

  180. Upps said:

    Ah see I’m reading that John McCains mother is 100 years old now. Based on our health care discussion, how come she still gets medical care? Is she cost effective? Of COURSE she is! YOUR mother, however, is not.

    They can cash in/sell a few more suitcases of beer from his wife’s family’s beer distributorship.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hensley_%26_Co.

  181. It’s more than that, I just didn’t want to sound like I was kissing your rear end. No need to work harder, you’re perfect.

  182. Geeze Viv, that fifty bucks I gave you to say nice things about me is really worth it.

  183. Stop by Facebook’s One Million Pissed Off Women page.
    http://www.facebook.com/OMPOW

  184. I just didn’t want to sound like I was kissing your rear end. No need to work harder, you’re perfect.

    Now that’s virtuos rear-end kissing! Denying it and doing it, all in the same breath. Brilliant! I’m so J.

  185. Now that’s virtuos rear-end kissing! Denying it and doing it, all in the same breath. Brilliant! I’m so J.

    I give that one a 9.2.

  186. Shape up, NES or you’re gonna lose me!

  187. Aw it’s gonna be one of those nights.

  188. Why I am frequently alone on major romantic holidays.

  189. Come on NES, I’m sure you could be a real charmer if you tried.

  190. Oh she is, Viv. She is.

  191. I’m not gonna click Fredster. I have a sneaking suspicion I will have to do a cleanup.

  192. Whose fb page? Someone we know?

  193. No, no Upps, it’s not bad. Some drinking, cigarette smoking and such. F word used twice but bleeped out.

  194. Madamab better stop by with some of her single malt. I might need it.

  195. Upps: It has two kittehs and a dog in there. Utterly wholesome.

  196. mmmmkayyyyyyyyyyy Fredster. you’re so damned cute.

  197. Hey where did NES go. She’s probably buying me a present.

  198. Oh yeah, I wish!! I know the hat would just do it for me. :roll:

  199. Yeah, where did NES go? I can’t make a mess of the place if she’s not here.

  200. I think I finally caught up on all the threads.

    ((((Michelina)))) Sending you strength.

    I can’t comment on the latest outrage because I’m so pissed it would just be all swears. @%^&*!##@!$%$%&&*$#! :twisted:

    I had to visit hillbillies place to settle down.

  201. Yes socal, I do remember the rolling blackouts. Gray Davis was a good governor. He’d been state controller under Brown and was a policy wonk. The car tag issue was he wasn’t going to raise taxes just not let that one expire. He understood that we needed the revenue.

  202. Davis was set up. California is so smart they got themselves Arnold instead. He got to suck on lots of cigars in the Gov mansion and ball any woman who would stay still for him. His legacy is…um……what again? Nice tradeoff.

  203. And that POS Ken Lay had to go die before somebody tortured him. That is, if he even died, the greasy bastard.

    Now there was a candidate for drawing and quartering.

  204. And they let his family keep his estate, the bastards. Everything he owned should have been seized and given to the people he screwed in California, and the old ladies he bilked. Burn, you bastard. Burn.

  205. Hey, remember when Arnold was the Republican flavor of the month and they were talking about changing the laws so he could be president? Fortunately, nobody worried because everybody knows the Republicans fall in love with someone new every month and start yelling xxxxx for President. Scottie Brown too. LOL. Dates all the way back to the contra hearings when they fell in love with the Colonel with the blue eyes. What’s that jerk’s name again?

  206. Oliver North? Yep. I’ll tell you Uppity, the same people who voted for Arrrrnold and went to his silly rallies were the same ones who did the same for Obama….the college kids. I saw it myself. Couldn’t believe it , and like socal, was pretty outraged at what was happening.

  207. Yeah that’s it. Ollie. Lord.

  208. I’m going to bed. I just did a boatload of twitter rants. The third wave is hopeless. they keep doing petitions, and tweets and facebook. Worthless. They need to put on their running shoes and march. They let other causes detour them too. It’s a waste, they are hopeless.

  209. I remember those rolling blackouts. They were caused by utility companies taking power plants off line during peak hours for “maintenance.”

  210. Yes, in a word deregulation. Okay, 2 words, deregulation and Enron.

  211. Former kidnap victim Elizabeth Smart marries in Hawaii

    When Smart dies she’s gets a free pass into heaven because she’s already been through hell.

  212. I know myiq, it’s a wonder that poor girl is doing as well as she is.

  213. They were caused by utility companies taking power plants off line during peak hours for “maintenance.”

    This on the watch on an administration that belittled and scorned the previous administration for not having an Energy Policy.

  214. remember when Arnold was the Republican flavor of the month and they were talking about changing the laws so he could be president?

    Yes I do. When a Rabid R at work repeated that, I replied, “Fine, we’ll run Madeleine Albright against him.”

  215. LOL CT, that probably cured him!

  216. Re: Bush energy policy. It’s not true he didn’t have one. Dick Cheney created one with the oil and utility companies.

  217. UW: On the energy policy, that’s what I said in this statement: This on the watch on an administration that belittled and scorned the previous administration for not having an Energy Policy.

    While Bush and Cheney were running they took every opportunity to point out that the Clinton administration didn’t have an energy policy and that by extension, neither did (or would) Gore and that by not having an energy policy, there was something inherently wrong with them and their ability to lead the nation.

  218. Yeah Sophie but Bush did have a policy. We just weren’t privy to it since it was not an open set of meetings–adding a whole new meaning to the words, “Trust Me”……..which is translated from Cheney-ese to English as…”F*** You”.

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