**IMPORTANT UPDATE** PSA: Yum! What do baby carrots and Clorox have in common?

(Update: Be sure to read priceless comment from “Carrot Museum” and responses in comment section. Copy posted below in this post. Feel free to respond!)

You know me. Every once in awhile I have just got to do a public service announcement. Besides, I’m sick of these horrendous politicians. Let’s focus on something that has more brains than the average Congress Critter: Baby carrots.

I guess we’ll be baby carrots by tomorrow, Clyde.

Well first, let’s get this straight. Most baby carrots aren’t baby carrots at all.

They LOOK like babies but what they are really pieces of deformed and rejected  large carrots nobody wants to buy. They are are banged around in machines and shaped to look like little baby carrot imposters.

That’s why you rarely see baby carrots with skin on them. The ones with skin on them would be real baby carrots. The “peeled” baby carrots never were real baby carrots to begin with. When I learned this, I stopped eating baby carrots. I’m funny that way. I don’t like being lied to and I don’t like the thought that I am eating a piece of a rejected carrot that has been not only misleadingly shaped to look like it was once its own child-carrot, but has been named what it is not.

Well, there’s more about baby carrots I didn’t know till now. Now if you have ever left an open bag of baby carrots in the fridge, you learn pretty quickly that their outter area turns dry and……….white. Now, funny, but whole big carrots never do that. Apparently, producers of carrot pieces shaped and called baby carrots figured out a cool way to keep those little suckers fresher longer on that supermarket shelf without that white haze forming so fast.  Let’s face it, longer shelf life means no carrots get thrown away before some sucker buys them.

How do they do this, you ask? Well, better living through chemicals, of course.

When a baby carrot turns white they call this, “white blushing” and often times this “white blushing” causes the bags of carrots to pulled from the shelf and thrown away. Consumer waste.  To prevent this consumer waste the carrots are then dipped in the chlorine.

Here’s the truth about baby carrots, brought to you by the….um…Carrot Museum. Make your vacation plans early or you might not be able to visit.

Don’t you just love Big Agra? They’re always looking out for us! Of course, they insist that the bleach isn’t enough to harm you or anything….That’s why Congress is so excited about making laws that “reform” food production and ensure small farmers go out of business.  It’s called the Food Safety and Modernization Act (an oxymoron similar to the “Clear Skies Initiative”). They are considering this law folks. Their sponsor Monsanto insists on it.  Wave bye-bye to your local farmer. And since Monsanto has vested interest in the USDA now,  thanks to Barack Obama, I’m sure they support this law. So let’s just call it what it is: The Monsanto Law. Just don’t expect bleach to be removed from “baby carrots,” mmkay?

Also please read “He appears to Giveth but will they Taketh Away instead?”  before the only carrots you will be able to find will be in a bag because your local farmer closed down. Monsanto loves you and so do their friends in Congress!

Oops, I digressed. You had better believe it. You’re about to be screwed. Again. Learn to love bleach!

Now back to “Baby Carrots”: Yum! You be sure and pick up that phony bag of baby carrots, you hear?  You can pretend you are eating a real baby carrot while bleaching out your system.

Want to see how they’re made? Minus the chlorine  or deformity discussion, of course. Instead we have “long thin carrots”.

And just in case some nasty blogger tells you the truth about those phony baby carrots (I’m not naming any names!), there is a push on to make fake baby carrots look…well….sexy. And how would they do that in an unusal and creative way? Why by using a woman as a sex object, of course!

A-Yup….

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UPDATE! Comment from “John” at the “Carrotmuseum” in the UK:

There are perfectly safe methods of washing baby carrots organically, a natural substance called Citrox.

Can I suggest everyone reads the Carrot Museum piece on baby carrots which gives the full story and not this biased effort of yours!

Uppity’s Response:

Dear John from the Carrot Museum in the UK, thanks for commenting!

http://www.citrox.net/products.php?id=88

Yum

“ProGarda™ decontaminant range has been specifically formulated for the decontamination of fruits and vegetables.
These products are viable alternatives to the use of chlorine (or other compounds or systems) for decontaminating fresh fruits and vegetables.”

So are you telling us that they do NOT use bleach to keep the fake baby carrots from turning white faster as in the quote? If so, why is the quote there? If not, are you suggesting that the CONSUMER use a Citrox chemical on their fake baby carrots? And are you telling me that these baby carrots are really baby carrots? If so perhaps a nice package of it could be included in the bag with a warning to  “decontaminate” with this Citrox. Or AT LEAST a WARNING on the bag so we can pass them up if we want to and make sure the people we care about know about it too?

And why do they use the word “decontaminate” for fruits and vegetables? Is there something else we need to worry about with our fruits and veggies in general? We love being informed. I wish I HAD seen anything you wrote about Citrox, the piece would have been much longer as I told everyone they need to go buy a chemcial to clean up their bleached carrots. If you’d like, I surely would update it to do that. I know I’m excited to know this and I’m sure everyone else will be too. Sorry for that snark but let’s face it, if you are suggesting we go out and buy this chemical to neutralize bleach on our preformed baby carrots, I don’t think that would go over very well. How the heck many things can people do to a preformed carrot before it no longer even tastes like the carrots we are all old enough to have known and loved?

But you know, like Ktichen Daily
http://www.kitchendaily.com/2009/02/19/baby-carrots-and-bleach/

and the good Greencleanmom
http://greenandcleanmom.org/carrots-and-bleach-yum-yum/?ewrd=1
says in her link I referenced, what difference to all these explanations make when we are talking about dipping our veggies in chemicals before we even get them so that they might have a longer shelf life?

“You can also go find the patented information on washing carrots and the dilution rate of the chlorine the carrots are dipped in, as though that matters.

I like baby carrots and find them convenient and my children like them. After reading this and finding out the truth, I will be buying my carrots organic and whole.”

You’ll excuse us if we agree with Green Clean Mom instead of you. Is that okay with you? If not, then stop using bleach on our baby carrots and maybe you could stop calling them baby carrots unless they ARE baby carrots.

How many people do you think would be all excited to know they could buy a  chemical to clean up another chemical on their baby carrots that aren’t really baby carrots at all. That’s the other question. Could you tell me why they call them baby carrots when they are not?

I do have another question though, if you want to inform us instead of slap us around because we are insulted that they cover our carrots with bleach, as if it’s our fault and shame on US for not feeling too good about that. My question is, why do they mention apples, oranges, etc. as well. Do they do this to them too or is it just the waxy thing? Yum!

And finally, I DO ADMIT TO BEING BIASED against my food being treated with BLEACH. Should I be PLEASED instead? You might want to check out the internets on this and comment to everyone who is a bit sickened by the thought that these bags of goodies have bleach on them and tell them to go buy another chemical to clean them off before eating them. So we would appreciate if we would not be made to feel guilty or threatened because we don’t care to have our food treated with bleach and that makes you angry, as if there is something wrong with us that we don’t think this whole idea is just fine.

I do have one more question. Do our USA carrots come from England like you do? Please tell us it’s not so! We like our carrots to come from China as we love us our melamine with our bleach.

As for the sex object ad, well I don’t even know what to say. I know I would want MY daughter to see how she is meant to behave when she grows up, even unto eating a carrot…. and she could learn that from the carrot growers of America, who I am assuming have daughters as well.

179 Responses

  1. If the baby carrots are freaking you out, please don’t ask about creamed corn or you won’t be able to eat for a year.
    😉

  2. The more I learn about “food” the more determined I become to eat only local. I have never seen the point of the whole “baby” carrot thing anyway. I have always loved carrots- and love them even more since I grew my own a few years ago! I just stick to local now as much as possible- costs here are relatively close to grocery stores- maybe even cheaper in the long run because I don’t get the medical bills with the local food like you can get with the big ag products.
    Sima had a good piece over at Skydancing about the big “food safety” bill- otherwise known as the Monsanto owns all food scam.
    http://dakiniland.wordpress.com/2010/11/17/s-510-please-call-for-the-tester-hagen-amendment/

    And thanks for all the well wishes yesterday- they did two injections- one of which was extremely painful- lit up the nerve all the way down my leg! Very sore this morning but here I am.

  3. The carrot industry is missing out on a huge cross advertising & marketing possibility.

    New Baby Carrots NOW with Crest Whitening Strips Built Right In.
    See better and whiten your teeth at the same time!

  4. Logistics: please tell about creamed corn.

  5. DE! ROFLMAO! You’re killing me here!

    To me it is like bagged chopped lettuce. I mean seriously people- how long can it possibly take to tear your own lettuce? Too much “convenience” for which there is always a price to pay. I was taught never to take a knife to any lettuce- it bruises the hell out of it and cause it to brown much more quickly. Carrots- uhm- throw them in the sink, wash em up good- take the back side of a knife or spoon to them to scrape just the thinnest outside layer off- and proceed.
    Carrots, lettuce, potatoes- all were our “jobs” at some point in Mom’s kitchen. Kept us busy and learning from an early age. For crying out loud- even a toddler can tear lettuce.

  6. Well I don’t buy bagged chopped lettuce unless it includes shredded baby carrots!

  7. LOL Amy, I was afraid to ask about the creamed corn. I happen to love creamed corn. I have a funny feeling I am not going to love it long when Monster gets done with us.

  8. New Baby Carrots NOW with Crest Whitening Strips Built Right In

    OMG. Why didn’t I think of this????

  9. Oh Nooooo, not baby carrots too. Fortunately, I don’t buy them often and after this, I’ll never buy them again. (thinks frantically about last nights dinner, heaves a sigh of relief because they were adult carrots that required peeling)

  10. Totally off thread but I knew DE would want to know there is one less snake in the world- Fluffy has died at the Columbus zoo.
    http://www.10tv.com/live/content/local/stories/2010/10/27/story-powell-columbus-zoo-fluffy-snake-dies.html?sid=102

    Warning DE- contains photos of the monstrous thing.

  11. I updated this post, because it wouldn’t be a REAL PSA if I didn’t include my old links about the “Food safety and modernization” act those Monsanto pimps in Congress are looking to ream up our asses as we speak. Beware folks. These people don’t care who they kill.

  12. DE and I would have been happy to help that freaky thing die sooner.

  13. Reticulated pythons are found in tropical forests in Southeast Asia, the zoo said.

    ……….and everywhere in Florida. That’s probably how they got “fluffy”.

  14. Just knew you guys would be so happy to hear the news of Fluffy’s demise. Shall we sponsor an old fashioned Irish wake?

  15. They find snakes like that every day in Florida now, MOM. Thanks to the POS psychos who enjoyed having them as “pets” and then turned them loose when they got too big. And still, whackjobs insist that they should be saved. I hope one of them wakes up to one of these things in THEIR home and see how well it works out for them.

  16. Gee Whiz, poor Nancy Reagan looks positively cadaverous. Almost as bad as Alan Simpson. Onlly he’s running our lives.

  17. Yeah, does that wake include dumping some 100 proof on it and lighting a match?

  18. Should have been named “Cuddles”

  19. Carrots. Like the rest of the produce Mom taught us to wash and prepare, are things of the generation that never knew the convenience of chemicals, plastic bags, and scientific-turned business sleight of hand. The peeler and the sink are still getting their use now more than ever. Chlorox is for the laundry, pools, and cleaning.

    Do others know how to use a peeler after they have purchased normal-looking produce?

  20. Should have been named “Cuddles”

    Hold me, Squeeze me.

  21. crier, I have two bunches of carrots in my veggie bin – and both need to be peeled – if you’re not doing anything today, how about it?
    Chlorox is also for the drains – I/2 cup each drain once a week

  22. forgot to mention, pour the bleach in the drain, and let it sit for 1/2 hour, then flush thoroughly. (things my mom taught me)

  23. We put bleach in our clay slurry bucket so it doesn’t get moldy before we recycle back in to workable clay and when we recycle our dried clay. Otherwise it turns a mottled gray and blue and smells a bit.

  24. DE, that’s fascinating. Wish I’d known that when the gruesome twosome were into making stuff from clay (and yes, I still have all their creations).

  25. I stopped eating baby carrots for the most part awhile ago. Why? Not so much for their bleach a la mode, but also they sorta fake, they lose their taste along the way. Seriously – smell the baby carrots, smell their bigger, unadulterated counterparts. Big difference. And it’s true in their taste, too – blah v. CARROT!!OMG!YUM!!!

    That said, my boy prefers the smelly sludge in his organic jars (amazing what the jarring process does to them, ugh) to the fresh, lovely smelling, home-pureed cubes I defrost for him. I don’t get it. That’s kids fer ya, I guess.

  26. Speaking of produce. At my supermarket, I saw boatloads of oranges from South America and Chile. And about 2 dozen beat up oranges half the size from Florida. They were also higher priced. What’s up with that.

  27. Oh, and the last time in the store, they didn’t have a loose carrot bin. I had to buy a cello bag. Do not like, and what the hell? Sometimes I don’t need 896 carrots. Grr.

    (sorry about my screwed up syntax in the previous post… fell asleep too late reading Book One of “Shogun.”)

  28. From John Smart’s blog – a link to a great bumper sticker.
    http://www.zazzle.com/dont_blame_me_i_voted_for_hillary_bumpersticker-128565853075646292

  29. Don’t know we haven’t had a single storm this year to damage the crop. They did start cutting down everyone’s citrus trees in their yards a few years ago since they don’t want us to know what real oranges taste like.

  30. This is a great post = try some organic carrots – their flavor is so much better.

  31. Green, the problem there is most of America can’t afford to shop at WHole Foods or buy organic produce anywhere for that matter. They buy their carrots as supermarkets. Even there, what they call “organic” is twice the price, so you can see where Big Agra doesn’t give a rat’s butt what they produce because the majority of the country has no other choice. Doesn’t matter, really, because if Congress and Monsanto have their way, there will be no more organic farmers. They will be forced by law to use monsantos chemicals for the sake of “Public Safety”. As if ANY recalls came from organic and/or small farmers….

  32. Yes I remember when they were cutting down PRIVATE trees on PRIVATE Property. Basically, they are greedy and want you to BUY oranges. Did they stop that program, DE? I imagine there were law suits.

  33. Allie, I always avoid loose bins. Remember, other people are touching that food. I won’t even get into the list of things you can catch that way.

  34. History lesson: Chlorine GAS was used by the Germans in WWI to kill our soldiers. I’m done
    overdosing this bod on chlorine bod….now what about that creamed corn, Logistics? We are DYING to hear about it!!

  35. I shall have to put the hammer on Logistics Monster and force her at gunpoint to tell us about corn.

  36. Hey Everyone,
    Go here and harass Monster into telling us. And while you’re there, read some really seriously important stuff.
    http://logisticsmonster.com/

  37. ((((Uppity’s)))))

    I went over to Logisticmonsters.com—-and saw
    that GM had a $ 38 billion dollar LOSS

    That’s NOT what the news said, they said a $ 40 billion dollar profit—-ALL the stations,

    Now which one is it, does anyone know??????

  38. I don’t know what happened, but are my comments no longer welcome?

  39. Did you lose a comment somewhere HT?

  40. Not to worry Uppity, I lost a comment but it probably wasn’t a good one, and I know that you didn’t have anything to do with the loss. Actually, I’m kinda glad that it disappeared into the ether. Sometimes I type before I think. Thanks for asking.

  41. Thank goodness they are getting ready to open an open-air market in St. Bernard for local farmers and other vendors in the parish. We have lots of small truck farms both in St. Bernard and Plaquemines Parish.

    http://sbpg.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1989:st-bernard-parish-nearly-ready-to-open-aycock-barnopen-air-market&catid=2:local-news&Itemid=2

    And I didn’t know that about baby carrots!! Use/used them in roasts all the time. Yikes!

  42. Fredster if they pass delauro’s monsanto law, don’t count on too many local farmers being everywhere. They will have to toe a line that will make them, not only not local farmers any longer, but at risk of a million dollar fine for not following instructions.

  43. HT i asked because I didn’t see anything that fell into spam or moderation, so I had no idea what happened.

  44. Uppity @ 7:01: Geez I hope not. We had so many truck farmers down there and you could go from one shed/stop to another for produce. That’s what was going to be great about the market. Plus shrimpers/fishermen can sell there too. It was going to be so easy to go to one place, just like the French Market in nola.

  45. Monsanto doesn’t like that Fredster.

  46. F*ck Monsanto.

  47. Monsanto says the same thing to us. Guess who’s winning?

  48. Thanks for posting this, UW.

  49. Welcome sophie.

    You see folks, any profession that allows a pervert to have access to children is a profession they will be attracted too. Like moths to a light. Not having a record means they haven’t been caught, which makes the potential for being hired pretty damned good. TSA, if they had any brains, would have realized this. Instead, not being willing to admit a mistake, they just don’t care. There’s going to be some class action outcry coming soon. This time the ACLU is going to be right. I suggest they start getting friendly with dog trainers ASAP because we are going to hear more and more horrific stories about both trauma and perverts. And burqas not getting the same treatment. In our country, you have every right to practice your religion. You do not have a right to break our laws. That’s a better deal that most people had in their former country, where their religion iS their law.If anyone wants their religion to be their law, then why the hell did they come here? Nevermind, I know the answer. They want their religion to be OUR law. Now the question is, does America let this happen, or not? As this escalates further, I will bet what’s left of my 401k that more Democrats are going to get their asses thrown out of office for their political correctness. This PC is becoming a bubbling, festering sore to Americans.

    Update: OOOOOps I thought we were in the OTHER thread. lol.

  50. There are perfectly safe methods of washing baby carrots organically, a natural substance called Citrox.

    Can I suggest everyone reads the Carrot Museum piece on baby carrots which gives the full story and not this biased effort of yours!

  51. Dear John from the Carrot Museum in the UK, thanks for commenting!

    http://www.citrox.net/products.php?id=88

    Yum

    ProGarda™ decontaminant range has been specifically formulated for the decontamination of fruits and vegetables.
    These products are viable alternatives to the use of chlorine (or other compounds or systems) for decontaminating fresh fruits and vegetables.

    So are you telling us that they do NOT use bleach to keep the fake baby carrots from turning white faster as in the quote? If so, why is the quote there? If not, are you suggesting that the CONSUMER use a Citrox chemical on their fake baby carrots? And are you telling me that these baby carrots are really baby carrots? If so perhaps a nice package of it could be included in the bag with a warning to “decontaminate” with this Citrox. Or AT LEAST a WARNING on the bag so we can pass them up if we want to and make sure the people we care about know about it too?

    And why do they use the word “decontaminate” for fruits and vegetables? Is there something else we need to worry about with our fruits and veggies in general? We love being informed. I wish I HAD seen anything you wrote about Citrox, the piece would have been much longer as I told everyone they need to go buy a chemcial to clean up their bleached carrots. If you’d like, I surely would update it to do that. I know I’m excited to know this and I’m sure everyone else will be too. Sorry for that snark but let’s face it, if you are suggesting we go out and buy this chemical to neutralize bleach on our preformed baby carrots, I don’t think that would go over very well. How the heck many things can people do to a preformed carrot before it no longer even tastes like the carrots we are all old enough to have known and loved?

    But you know, like Ktichen Daily
    http://www.kitchendaily.com/2009/02/19/baby-carrots-and-bleach/

    and the good Greencleanmom
    http://greenandcleanmom.org/carrots-and-bleach-yum-yum/?ewrd=1
    says in her link I referenced, what difference to all these explanations make when we are talking about dipping our veggies in chemicals before we even get them so that they might have a longer shelf life?

    You can also go find the patented information on washing carrots and the dilution rate of the chlorine the carrots are dipped in, as though that matters.

    I like baby carrots and find them convenient and my children like them. After reading this and finding out the truth, I will be buying my carrots organic and whole.

    You’ll excuse us if we agree with Green Clean Mom instead of you. Is that okay with you? If not, then stop using bleach on our baby carrots and maybe you could stop calling them baby carrots unless they ARE baby carrots.

    How many people do you think would be all excited to know they could buy a chemical to clean up another chemical on their baby carrots that aren’t really baby carrots at all. That’s the other question. Could you tell me why they call them baby carrots when they are not?

    I do have another question though, if you want to inform us instead of slap us around because we are insulted that they cover our carrots with bleach, as if it’s our fault and shame on US for not feeling too good about that. My question is, why do they mention apples, oranges, etc. as well. Do they do this to them too or is it just the waxy thing? Yum!

    And finally, I DO ADMIT TO BEING BIASED against my food being treated with BLEACH. Should I be PLEASED instead? You might want to check out the internets on this and comment to everyone who is a bit sickened by the thought that these bags of goodies have bleach on them and tell them to go buy another chemical to clean them off before eating them. So we would appreciate if we would not be made to feel guilty or threatened because we don’t care to have our food treated with bleach and that makes you angry, as if there is something wrong with us that we don’t think this whole idea is just fine.

    I do have one more question. Do our USA carrots come from England like you do? Please tell us it’s not so! We like our carrots to come from China as we love us our melamine with our bleach.

    As for the sex object ad, well I don’t even know what to say. I know I would want MY daughter to see how she is meant to behave when she grows up, even unto eating a carrot…. and she could learn that from the carrot growers of America, who I am assuming have daughters as well.

  52. UW thanks for not posting the similar ad I saw from the cucumber counsel.

  53. DE check out the response from the Carrot Museum and my response as well. If I forgot anything, I’m sure you’ll let us know.

  54. Tell the carrot museum to get a life. I KNOW what a baby carrot is- it is what I have when I thin the row.
    Carrot seeds are teensy beensy- therefore when you sow the row you end up with lots and lots and lots of carrots. In order to allow for proper growth of the final harvest, one thins the row by pulling the excess. Same with turnips and beets.
    Thinning! NOT taking full grown carrots that have imperfections and carving them down and treating them with chemicals.
    And what is wrong with a carrot that is not completely straight and uniform anyway? That is FOOD! So what if it doesn’t look “perfect?”
    We grew our own carrots first as a project for my daughter when she was five. We nailed together a couple of old windows and filled it with nice soil and let her plant the seeds. Easy to grow and she was constantly out there pulling a carrot for her and her friends as snacks- wash them off under the garden hose and PRESTO! Fresh, healthy FOOD! They did not care if it was crooked or had two roots.
    Big Ag- do me a favor and get out of my life.

  55. Actually putting real baby carrots in that bag, Mom, would cut down on profits, you darned fool. And why don’t you feel guilty that you don’t like bleach in your carrots and don’t want to buy citrox? you have a lot of nerve expecting your food to be fresh and not hanging out on the shelf with bleach on it so it won’t look old.

  56. UW thanks for not posting the similar ad I saw from the cucumber counsel.

    What scares me is you probably aren’t kidding. But hey, at least they don’t use bleach. Or do they?

  57. I can’t wait till Green sees this update. lol.

  58. UW, reading your letter was like watching someone seasoned in use of a blade, corner a hapless neophyte at lightning speed, and then walk away with a smile, as the observers gasp and snicker.

    Touche!

  59. Well gee Crier, I was jussssssssst inquirrrrrrrrrring.

  60. So tell me Crier. How do you feel about this bleach and citrox idea?

  61. Ask questions! Have fun, you biased SOBs

    Nothing like ridicule to douse truth unto the enlightened. Citrox, clorox, chlorine, acid, chemicals. Reformulating and repackaging damaged goods. Let the truth be known and let the consumer take it from there. Reinventing edible products via sleight of hand does a disservice to the public. If people want to eat contorted, deformed, and dirty carrots, let ’em. Just don’t dress them as something else.

  62. UW, writer extraordinaire!

  63. Clorox for lunch anyone? Clorox baby carrot soup for lunch? How about a little mashed clorox baby carrots on the side?

    Maybe we can go swimming in our clorox baby carrots since they are so clean.

  64. Oh I saw your response UW. One of our nieces thinks were bat shit crazy because we was our veggies with soap before eating.

  65. LOL DE!

    You got a lot of nerve refusing to ingest that nutritious bleach. But the least you could do is use stuff they use in HOSPITALS and decontaminate them.

  66. Hey how come my local farmers’ market doesn’t use bleach or preform their veggies? Damn, I gotta stop buying local produce.

  67. DE, nothing wrong with washing veggies and fruits with water or even soap and water. Saw a kid once with fingers in mouth and nose repeatedly, pulling out all sorts of secretions, and then manhandle all the fruits on the display.

    Then was the kid years ago dragging behind his mother, waddling through aisles, reach behind into his pants, and pull out some brown logs, and toss two into the aisle. He then raced happily to catch up with mom. Headed to the produce section.

  68. McN, just reporting the sights seen at the grocery store.

  69. ………..sputter………

  70. They let crap flinging kids in supermarkets, snot running down their noses, wiping it on the cart – and you can’t bring your housebroken dog into the place. Even people with guide dogs get glances while some unruly kid is having a tantrum in Aisle six. Hell, I use Purell on cart handles.

    Open bins are scary to me too. Imagine who handled all that stuff???

  71. Purell? Perhaps Citrox and Formaldehyde …

  72. Hey wouldn’t formadehyde preserve fake baby carrots for like forever on the shelf?

  73. See UW, maybe getting your food sterilized in the pressure cooker isn’t so bad afterall.

  74. I actually saw an ad on the net for a kitchen sterilization chamber. No kidding. It was stainless steel.

  75. This post might make that sterilzation chamber a real seller.

    Formaldehyde would kill everything and preserve it as evidence. For the cart, not the carrots. Formaldehyde. yesteryears equivalent of today’s plastination.

  76. Good thing I can always count o you to make me smile, Upps.
    Yesterday I was down at my Grad school where they have a beautiful garden and chickens. HEALTH!

    Sends Happy Thanksgiving wishes out to all at UW’s. This is an off year. Going out! xxoo!

  77. OMG. Vid #2 Laughing so hard will fall off chair!

  78. Crier my mother used pressure cookers. In fact, my father promised to watch one while she was on the phone and it exploded food all over the kitchen when the top blew off because the pressure built up. Pressure cookers are great for tenderizing things though. But I never liked veggies in them because I hate soft cooked veggies. If it doesn’t have some bite to it, I won’t eat it.

  79. What, mushy not desirable?

    PC better for tough things. Corn on the cob is 3 to 5 min.

  80. UW how long till they start using carrot pulp to make carrot nuggets.

  81. You can get corn on the cob in four minutes in a boiling pot.

    No I hate mush veggies.

  82. Yum, McCarrots!

  83. I grind my own burgers and turkey breasts too. I got sick of believing that a blob of meat that was sitting there, where you could see the white, was really 93% lean. I throw trimmed shell sirloin in a grinder. It’s amazing how much better it tastes. Ditto for ground turkey, which is priced OUTRAGEOUSLY.

  84. Uppity
    re: Do I have to wash my apples etc too?

    Yes! Yes ! Yes! if they are not organic.

    And even if they are organic and you eat them with the skins on, they must be scrubbed with soap and water before eaten. There are no restrooms in the fields where they are picked even if organic.

    You must wash/scrub with soap and water even watermelons and other melons because the knife will drag down any contamination from the skin as you cut the fruit. Whole Food stores have organic washes to clean the skins of fruits and vegetables but I feel soap and water is good enough for organics.

    Drink seltzer water or sparkling water if you drink a lot of cold liquids. This is not just huggy, feely stuff . Their new agriculture – toxic farming methods done with slave labor has poisoned our food. And believe me there is no USDA watching out for us.

  85. Green apples from the store are almost impossible to eat with the skin on. The put so much freaking wax on them to keep the bugger fingers from getting them dirty. Plus it’s bitter.

  86. Uppity

    I am poor at this stage — I have been both poor and comfortable – organic is better but i will buy green peppers and some stuff in the winter at Woodman’s but mostly I eat fresh organic tofu. It is 21 dollars a case for 12 tubs. So I eat 12 days for about two dollars a day.Not counting the olive oil I fry it in. I cannot join the unbelievable cruelty, the depravity of factory farming and torturing of animals, birds and now even fish. These are feeling creatures – the humans who do this are degraded as well. Other people can do it (Woodman’s has a cheap good organic section). If people would see what is done in their name to animals they world do it. But they look away. I understand. Many Paths. We will all end at the same place.

  87. See i buy less and don’t throw away – I’ll get one green pepper – maybe 2 carrots – one yam…. on different days. So I do not throw anything away. I eat as fresh as possible. If I do have leftovers I make soup with Knoors vegetable bullion cubes. So I can buy organic if i have the urge for vegetables. I freeze fair trade (cheap enough) bananas in wax paper and use them when I want Ice cream. When I have money, I buy almonds in bulk from the bins. I love apples and oranges and will buy non organic if i have too but oh god how I love the organic ones but they ARE more expensive. Thetaste makes my toes curl. Sometimes woodman’s has a special but the bag is always double what the non organic bag costs.

  88. Apples are another fruit that suck now unless they are local in season. If they aren’t local in season I won’t eat them because they taste like crap. Ditto for those big “oranges” that are all peel at a buck apiece. You take the peel off and it’s like WTF? Where’s the orange? Peaches I have given up on altogether except for a local orchard that has them fresh in July and August. buying supermarket peaces is like throwing away money for a rock with cotton inside. It wasn’t always so. I have my own bartlett pears so I KNOW those are fresh and unsprayed or picked before their time. In winter, I buy mostly frozen veggies, although I do know of one store that gets really good stuff when I get there. I do have an addiction to stuff like carrots, peppers, cabbage, green beans and potatoes and go there to buy them. Potatoes are horrible in supermarkets. You open the bag and cut into them and they are black inside. Or all wet, ready to rot. FORGET tomatoes out of season. Gelatinous, bitter, disgusting things. I even buy entire garlic braids at farmer’s market so I don’t have to suffer that horrible crap they sell in stores.

    This idea of shipping produce all over east jesus is not working for anybody but big agra, who are hoping eventually we won’t know the difference in taste, and since they are killing us off with chemicals and genetically modified stuff, they are closer to their wish. I won’t play.

    Green, I despise tofu. I don’t like anything about it. And yes, I’ve had it plenty of ways and never liked it not even once. I am unconvinced and can’t pretend. I too buy as much organic as I can, it’s just that I know most people can’t afford it so they are stuck with the crap being shipped to them.

  89. Nice little article in USAweekend–usaweekend.com that quotes The Safe Food Handbook. “Proportionally more outbreaks of produce-lnked illnesses come from fresh-cut produce than from produce left whole.” About six times more likely. Just think sliced veggies and food borne illness wrapped up in one neat package, yum yum.

  90. Deadender

    I think my soap and hot water takes the wax off . I eat grannys with the skins on. Don’t notice wax. Maybe they don’t do it to organics? Anyway, that is probably what the organic fruit cleaners are for at the whole food stores.

    Uppity , in Madison there is an expensive Whole Food store whose owner is a republican and who gave money to fight health care. I don’t shop there. There is another store with hippie values called the Willy St. Co-op. I buy there. They make so much money they are opening another branch in a yuppie suburb. Still…..

  91. Uppity

    I have had PLENTY bad tofu and if I did not have a factory in Mil to get it fresh I would kill myself. If I could grab you and feed you my fried nuggets maybe you would flip. But in Madison, at 334 State Street, there is this place called Chautara Restaurant that makes a tofu and tomato sandwich .. I can’t speak, I am drooling so hard. BTW, Burger King has a pretty good veggie burger if you get it with the works and all the fixings. Try it – only two dollars.

  92. I’ve got a couple of recipes for black bean veggie burgers that are pretty darned good.

    No I don’t think they wax organic apples.

  93. This year I added cabbage to my garden and it is still growing outside and i am still picking it for the soups. But this summer it had bugs that at least did not get off it to eat my other plants thank god – but now all the bugs are dead and it tastes really nutritious in the soup.

  94. I never grew cabbage. It’s usually very inexpensive in season here so I don’t grow it. But I’ll bet it’s a kick to see it grow. I rarely have bug problems but the slugs love my land and I get them drunk and drowned starting really early in the season. Being hermaphodites, they are very busy so you can’t let up.

  95. Proud Military Mom

    Sounds like you have a great garden. I love it when people garden with children.

  96. Uppity

    The cabbage looks like great unfloding flowers in the garden. It is so huge now but in the center are tender little buds… which I grab and rip off and throw in the hot water to devour. HA!

  97. Green – Burger King uses Morningstar VeggieBurgers – they buy them frozen and microwave them, just as a consumer does when getting them in the grocery store (most stores around here, anyway, have Morningstar).

  98. (Boca Burgers are better, though, IMO, and vegan, not veggie, to boot!)

  99. when buying fruits and veggies in a super market , buy on Saturday morning. That is when they stock up for the weekend and it is fresher. Read that in a book for retired people to save money.
    also when buying peppers buy the ones with 3 humps on the bottom, 4 humps are the female and have more seeds and pulp and weigh more.

    Watch when things you use go on sale. The stores put things on sale on a twelve week cycle.

    OT

    also had to post this

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  100. Green, you may want to check your boullion cubes – they sound like the ones I used to use, and if I’m remembering the name correctly, they are loaded with MSG.

  101. I never use bouillion. Prefer chicken base.

  102. this was on the news last night. I guess if you followed this diet along with your doctor’s advise and medicine it might help.

    http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2010/11/19/my-back-is-killing-me-eat-some-kale/

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  103. UW, chicken base isn’t an option for vegetarians lol

  104. Right! Bocca is much, much, better. Morningstar has lots of preservatives and god know what else – the ingredient list is so long. But I am stunned. How can Burger King sell them so cheap? With the bun and tomato and lettuce and pickle and sauce and everything!

  105. Just now on the news, new TSA bumper stickers lol

    “Can’t see London, can’t see France, unless I see your underpants”

    “If I did my job any better, I’d have to buy you dinner”

  106. Yes, the bullions have MSG and TONS of salt but I put in so much water, I don’t think it is too bad. What does MSG do to you if you don’t have it in anything else?? I only have one of the BK veggies about once every two months and soup maybe twice a month. (but the soup lasts 2 days)

  107. I imagine it’s a bulk discount, Green. Burger King is a huge company, they can probably negotiate good deals. Plus, consumers are probably overcharged at the store when they buy their little box of 4 frozen burgers!

  108. I actually don’t know the details about MSG, but people always get really upset that it’s really bad for you, so when I found out it was in the cubes, I stopped buying them. Someone gave me some veggie cubes, they’re from Israel, thought maybe they woudn’t have MSG. I haven’t used them yet, but I just now read the ingredients – literally had to get out the magnifying glass to read the ingredients – and about halfway down “flavor enhancer (MSG)”. Going in the garbage!

    And I don’t know what’s bad about creamed corn, but now I’m scared! and won’t be able to buy it anymore lol

  109. My cats love creamed corn but about cans — don’t buy canned food. I believe they ALLOW maggots to a can — don’t ask me where i heard that … but the taste alone and all the salt should be enough to stop human consumption.

  110. maggots — maggots to a can without any legal repercussions

  111. 333 my 3 is not working – 3 maggots to a can

  112. MSG is known to cause headaches, Lorac, and severe ones in migraine sufferers.

  113. OMG those bumper stickers are a RIOT.

  114. lorac, they sell vegetable base too. And fish and beef. So in your case, veggie base.

  115. I doubt thatrinsing with chlorine is going to kill anyone, but this sure explains why carrots have such a hideous chemical taste. I thought my taste buds were on the fritz. Thanks for the PSA, uppity. Mystery solved. I’ll try some organic carrots. I miss the taste of carrots past.

    I also don’t like to be sold food that’s not fresh. Didn’t one of the major food chains get caught freshening up their meat with bleach? No one dies, but it’s just nasty. Disguising pig swill.

    So, what’s the consumer to do? No one want more regulations, but no one wants to eat adulterated pig swill. What’s the solution?

  116. I want more regulation – or revolution – one or the other

  117. and a million more inspectors instead of one for every 4 states.

  118. I know, Green, but you’re not going to get either. You can’t even fly without being groped and arrested if you refuse. Revolution is not going to happen with this creeping totalitarianism.

  119. food inspector – now there is a shovel ready green job

  120. I doubt thatrinsing with chlorine is going to kill anyone, but this sure explains why carrots have such a hideous chemical taste. I thought my taste buds were on the fritz

    RRRRRRRRRRRRROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.

  121. Uppity

    no it was a creeping oligarchy but now it is just an oligarchy

  122. Hugo I am personally in favor of more regulations of the PREVENTATIVE kind. We are wasting money on government jobs that amount to nothing but paper pushing and an employment agency for relatives. I would far rather be hiring more inspectors and then give them teeth.

  123. food inspector – now there is a shovel ready green job

    Amen. Twice.
    And I want them to be mean. I want them to be TSA on naked food.

  124. More inspectors and more teeth sounds good to me, uppity.

  125. Hugo, hit em in their wallets and their hearts and minds will follow.

  126. That’s exactly how it works, uppity.

  127. Hugo, one thing’s for sure. Reactive mode doesn’t work. We can’t continue on waiting for boards of health to tell us people are getting sick or dying and THEN find the source. Sure, some will slip through, we’re all human, but lately it’s been another recall just about every week! This tells me that there are not enough inspections going on and what we REALLY need is a USDA and FDA PRESENCE on those PREMISES. Watch them clean up their acts THEN!

  128. Bush understaffed agencies and thrwarted enforcement actions. That’s why recalls of all sorts increased. It will take years for consumer health/safety agenices to recover from that admin. The public does need to educate itself and be cautious. There is no 100% guarantee of safety. Meawhile, when agenices are not up to speed on resources, they should make use of their toughest enforcement options. Put some slimeballs in jail. That sends the message to other slimeballs. But to be fair, the reason for some of the outbreaks were a mystery and the real causes needed to detected by the gov and industry cooperatively. Some things are just not intentional and are not easily anticipated.

    Good post, uppity. Carry on!!

  129. oopps. s/b “good post, uppity.”

    **Fixit Fairy visited you**

  130. All this talk about cans is making me wonder about my beloved black olives. The only time I’ve seen olives not in a can is at the special Whole Foods olive bar. But those probably came in a BIG can lol

    I don’t even know where olives are grown fresh – except Greece, and I don’t LIKE Greek black olives lol

  131. UW, I’ve seen cans of vegetarian broth – is that the same thing as “vegetable base”?

  132. No lorac, vegetable base is in a jar and is more like a heavy paste. “Base” is generally stronger than broth. You make broth from base. It’s more concentrated, reduced in moisture.

  133. Also bouillon is freeze dried. Base is not.

  134. and those inspectors may not come from the industry they police (not sure about this; maybe hiring from the industry is not bad) nor get jobs in those industries when they retire nor work as lobbiest for those industries– then i would be for paying the inspectors well with benefits

  135. Hugo, take that egg guy for example. He should be PROSECUTED. He has been fined and caught countless times over the years and he gets a slap on the wrist. He should be made an example. There should be criminal charges for a guy like him, not just fines that are a drop in his bucket. This is a man who is a deliberate pig and he knows he can get away with it. People like him have no conscience and even publicizing what a slime ball he is has no effect. He needs a cell with a guy named Bubba for everybody else to get The Message. And yes, I don’t mind being educated, but when the public has to be desensitized to the point where they are TOLD to treat food like poultry like it’s toxic waste at all times, there is something wrong with this picture. And that goes for food from other countries too. WHen we had a mad cow scare, other countries REFUSED to buy our beef. Yet when China sends us baby formula with melamine in it, we figure out how many PPMs is okay for a baby to ingest. That is just plain wrong. The way I see it, if a major processor buys from a vendor, it is HIS responsiblity to monitor his vendors and HIS responsibility if rat turds are found in his product. None of this passing the buck crap. YOU hired that vendor, YOU are responsible. Look at Eggland’s Best. They are never involved in a recall. They charge a little bit more for their eggs but they have stringent requirements for their suppliers and they make sure their egg vendors’ eggs go regional and not half way around the damned country.

  136. Olives are grown in Italy and Spain as well lorac. thus, you find greek, spanish and italian olive oil.

    Calamata. Yum.

  137. You can’t go on without cans unless you have lots of time to scratch cook and only in season. What about canned tuna. Or canned tomatoes. The list is endless. I prefer frozen veggies but how do we know maggots aren’t allowed there either. The truth is, during flly season, maggots are everywhere even without a can. Do we really think flies don’t land on fresh fish or meat? Or even on ………tofu? Or that there’s never been a fly in Whole Foods?

  138. This is an excellent PSA, but:

    All this talk of buy this and not that is fine and dandy, but in the wasteland I live in, we don’t have many good farmer’s markets; they chased all the ag out of the area before I graduated from high school 20 years ago. When I was a kid, there were farms everywhere… I remember the land my house sits on as being part of the co-op my brother worked on when he was in FFA. I only wish I had the options of fresh-from-farm and organic that didn’t cost an arm and leg.

    The weather here for growing things sucks. If all I had was time on my hands, I’d be growing it. But to fight the weather for one, the aridity for another, the alkaline soil for a third… I just don’t have the stomach to fight cruel Ma Nature and my son’s insurance and doctors and all that crap.

    I do what I can do, which is what 90% of thinking and aware folks can do and afford, and this cross section is well aware of this:
    canned < frozen < "fresh" < organic < homegrown.

  139. I came over to talk about cans but on the way heard something that has literally stunned me. The pope said there is one group of people he will allow to use condoms without sin – male prostitutes.

    Can that church get any more blatant ????

    Read the labels on cans –most use salt as a preservatives and sugar to mask the taste of rotten food. Soups have anywhere from 400 to 800 g sodium.

    Tomatoes are better but always read the labels.

    Pilots are TSA grope exempt but are flight attendants exempt?

  140. I have to buy low sodium tuna for the cats and that oil is not fish oil. They sell the fish oil to the vitamin people.

  141. Backtrack says while he is out of the country, the grouping of US citizens might be a inconvenience but necessary..
    Did you ever think you would hear a president of this country make that statement.

    I want the impeachment proceeding to start now. Then he can go live in Kenya with his cousin who burns churches, his thinking is more like his cousin than any American in history.

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2010/11/obama-calls-airport-pat-downs-frustrating-but-necessary/1

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  142. Do you all know the book “Food Politics” by Marion Nestle? Love that book! She has a blog and she just wrote a big thing on S. 510

    http://www.foodpolitics.com/2010/11/senate-stalls-action-on-s-510/

  143. I had to come out of my cold induced haze in response to the comments from Mister Carrot Museum. Carrot Top has obviously been drinking too much koolaid becuase that is the same type of reasoning used by the Circle Ranch residents.

    As in:
    WE are the ones out of line for questioning anything. WE should just eat our poisoned faked baby carrots in silence. If WE do not eat our fake carrots, it will cause GLOBAL WARMING and Al Gore will melt , Imelda will no longer be praised as a fashion icon and nutrition expert and Ferdinand will not get to be King of the World.

    WE should not have any opinions of our own. That’s bias (read racist).

    I think UK in this instance might mean Unemployed Kid hanging out in parent’s basement.

  144. No I imagine it’s an adult with ties to the carrot producers. Which is okay. But don’t come here and try to set a detour and diversion to the real issue as if fake baby carrots with bleach are our fault or we have a lot of nerve not enjoying that thought. It’s the old You’re talking about Ducks so let me attack you by talking about Bears trick The fact that these carrots are called baby carrots and often aren’t baby carrots at all is indefensible and misleading to begin with. The bleach is just topping on the carrot. And it’s all so Big Agra. Unfortunately, the internet is riddled with fake baby carrot stories just like this one.

  145. Green I give my pets grizzly salmon oil for their coats. To be honest, I never feed my cats any fish based foods as they are higher in ash and have been known to contribute to Feline Urological Syndrome. You should also know that cats are obligatory carnivores and, unlike dogs, gain no real nutritional value from grains etc. They are full carnivores. That is why the premium cat foods always contain meat as the first four ingredients. Making a cat a vegan is probably not a very good idea and constantly feeding full fish is definitely not something I would do. FUS is a horrible thing, and it is particularly more common in male neutered cats. And I do hope you supplement taurine, which is extremely essential to their hearts if the food you are feeding them does not contain it. Suggest Felovite II with Taurine.

  146. http://cats.about.com/od/whyfoodisimportant/a/foodfitforacat.htm

    Officially, the cat is a carnivore. In fact, your cat is actually an obligatory carnivore, which means it must eat meat. Just because it resides in your home and enjoys your company doesn’t change its physical make-up and its nature. Obviously, it should not eat the same food as a cow or a chicken because that’s not how its body is designed. Cows and chickens are herbivores and are structurally quite different from your cat.

    Now, I’m not saying that you must place a live mouse in your cat’s dinner bowl (although some cats would love it), but we do need to feed our cats as closely as we can to what they were built to eat. That’s the responsible thing to do when you’ve chosen to live with a carnivore. Your feline friend’s health will benefit greatly if you keep its natural dietary needs in mind when reading cat food product labels or choosing what type of food to put in its dish.

    Google links on why cats must have meat.
    http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&btnG=Search#sclient=psy&hl=en&site=webhp&q=cats+obligatory+carnivores&aq=f&aqi=g-l1g-o1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=c7fbb9cf578c1c04

  147. cats need meat because they’re carnivores!

    Hey, hot new post is up!

  148. cats aren’t just carnivores, lorac. they are obligate. in other words, it doesn’t get more carnivore than a cat. They MUST have meat as the primary source of their diet. That’s why feeding your cat’s food to your dog is not good. It if far higher in protein than dog food.

  149. I just know it this way

    carnivores eat meat
    omnivores can eat either
    herbivores eat your garden

    and non-vegetarian omnivore humans only eat herbivores, they never eat carnivores. (well, I think there is an Asian culture that did or does eat cats…..)

    I agree, even though dogs love cat food, it’s not good for them – too much protein for their systems. But it makes you wonder about how we used to feed cow’s milk to baby humans, when its protein level if off the charts compared to mother’s milk – all that protein is meant to make a baby cow grow really big, really fast. Not good for baby human. Not good to mess with mother nature lol

  150. I read the article above – they’re using “obligatory carnivore” in place of simply “carnivore” – they mean the same thing. A lot of people call themselves carnivores because they like meat so much, but they don’t understand that carnivores are only meant to eat meat, and no human is a carnivore. So maybe they had to insert the “obligatory” to make it more clear for these people!

  151. I used to like baby carrots. That was until the time a bag of baby carrots did something really bad.

    It turned liquid.

  152. lorac pick on any link in the search link i added. I used “about’ because it popped up first and I was tired and lazy and should know better.

    Try Cornell University. Obligate (Obligate/Obligatory are both used interchangeably but it’s really “Obligate”) carnivore has different nutritional needs than “simply carnivore”. Obligatory/Obligate is a veterinary medical term. It means ‘required’. They absolutely require animal protein for proper nutrition. It’s not about flavor either, it’s about nutritional needs.

    Here’s a Cornell Link that explains the difference. If Cornell isn’t your cup of tea, try any veteranary school’s link. THey will all tell you the same thing. Pets don’t have a social/moral compass or concience (or religion for that matter). Given a choice, cats will instinctively kill their prey of meat for a very real reason. They have nutritional needs that really should not be changed for human social/moral/nutritional preference reasons. You turn a forced vegetarian cat loose and the first thing he will do is kill some animal protein and never look back. It’s because he needs it. Some PICA cats get that way because of forced diets by well meaning people. They eat fabric, plastic bags, you name it.
    http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/brochures/feedcats.html

    Cats are obligate carnivores and are very different from dogs-and people-in their nutritional needs. What does it mean to be an obligate carnivore? It means that cats are strict carnivores that rely on nutrients in animal tissue to meet their specific nutritional requirements. In their natural habitat, cats are hunters that consume prey high in protein with moderate amounts of fat and minimal amounts of carbohydrates. Cats also require more than a dozen nutrients, including vitamins, minerals, fatty acids, and amino acids. These nutrients are the building blocks of various structural body tissues; are essential for chemical reactions (metabolism, catabolism); transport substances into, around, and out of the body; supply energy for growth and maintenance; and provide palatability.

    University of California at Davis on Obligate Carivores and the Taurine I mentioned as well. Cats require it but can’t store it. They need it daily. It’s essential for their heart. Also can affect vision and a bunch of other things.

    http://www.vmth.ucdavis.edu/cardio/cases/case32/text.htm

    Cats are obligate carnivores with an absolute dietary requirement of taurine. Taurine is not an essential amino acid in dogs (i.e., they can maintain a normal plasma concentration without dietary intake). However, taurine deficiency is occasionally associated with DCM in dogs

    Speaking of cultures that eat cats, i saw a docu once that is still burned in my mind. They had kittys in cages at the restaurant, reaching through with their paws, people picking their cat out. they picked them off the street too, witha hook, and threw them live in boiling pots, still trying to breathe when they pulled them out and skinned them. It was horrible and I shall never forget it.

  153. Yes, I guess I’m missing something – it seems like the articles are saying the same thing I am – cats have to eat meat because they’re carnivores. My understanding of “carnivore” seems to be what they calling “obligatory carnivore”.

    But I just woke up 🙂

  154. lorac, I think the difference might be that humans are omnivores but can exist as herbivores, and dogs are carnviores but can exist with a large portion of their diet being herbivores(grains specificially) but cats need no grains and require predominantly animal protein. Dogs are carnviores but not Obligate. Or something like that. lol.

    I think the real point is that cats are SERIOUS carnivores and messing with that can pose a health problem of great magnitude. We both know a dog will eat a head of lettuce. lol.

    Damn cats. They run the world.

  155. lorac I answered your ’email’ comment in the other thread. Thank you! But stop. lol.

  156. Uppity

    YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. I know that about cats. I never would deny them their dead flesh and I buy it. It is an endless source of frustration finding them food they will eat and I can afford that won’t kill them. I am very disappointed about the ash in tuna. One cat really loves it. In fact that is all he will eat besides dry science life sensitive stomach. Magic- he is big boned (not fat)b but the size of a small pit bull puppy. I love him and his huge lion paws. He is like a male lion sitting regally waiting for me, his lioness, to bring him the day’s kill.

  157. I will buy the grizzly and taurine as soon as I can – Ihave been looking for a good oil for them.

  158. where do you buy grizzly salmon oil ?

  159. I have seen those videos and with the dogs as well – they kill them as cruelly as possible — they say it makes them “taste” better. i have so many images in my mind like that –Larry King showed the dog skinning alive on his show—that is the horror and people are treated the same way. There is a difference between people who know these things and people who do not. We understand the world.

  160. That is what they do to chickens right here in the good old USA – Throw them in the boiling water alive.

    They grind up the male baby chicks alive.

  161. Green, if that’s what they do, it’s because They Can.

  162. Green, Grizzly.
    http://www.grizzlypetproducts.com/

    You can buy it in a zillion pet places on the interwebs. Just do a search for the best price. Some pet stores also sell it. The Grizzly is wild alaskan salmon.

  163. It is an endless source of frustration finding them food they will eat and I can afford that won’t kill them.

    Yup, you own cats. lol.

    Cats LOVE a lot of thngs that aren’t good for them. Like milk. Most of them are lactose intolerant. They are like kids. They like their candy but you have to keep it from them.

  164. Green, IMO you would be better off feeding your Tuna Cat the worst supermarket meat-based food than human tuna daily. Fish just contains way more ash, and human grade fish is way more fish than is even in a fish based cat food can. It’s 100 percent. Also, animal based foods are better for him nutritionally, since it is animal protein.

  165. Oh yes,but that would be easy You forget, these are CATS. He does not WANT any stinking cat food. No, he walks away in disgust. He glances at me as the rest of them eat; Is THAT the best you can do? And he huffs off and throws himself on the couch ; Get away from me, he says his green eyes smoldering. He WANTS his tuna. But he only gets it twice a week anyway. He eats the dried stuff all the rest of the time. Do you think twice a week is too much? See when he gets it, all the other 4 have to get it also because they are not going to put up with anyone getting special treatment and don’t talk about closed doors and such because it does not work. They can make life hell.

    They can smell through doors and read minds. They talk to each other in pictures and that is how I talk to them. I make a picture of them doing something in my mind and then direct it at the one I want to do it.

    But now they learned how to do it right back so there are no secrets in this house.

    And they can insist I do something. Cats don’t give up when they have not been abused and can trust their human. So when I buy tuna it has to be for everybody. I think that salmon might be too expensive.

  166. good! I have a grizzely store seven blocks from my house.

    HERE IS ADVICE I COPIEDFROM YOU YEARS AGO AND KEPT:

    1.
    Uppity Woman, on December 24th, 2009 at 10:49 AM Said:
    DE Try free range chicken. No kidding. You look on the bag and you don’t see “Byproducts” or “Meat meal” instead of “chicken meal” , or “animal Digest” or Menadione, which is used in the cocktail to euthanize animals (they call it “a source of vitamin K activity”. Yup. Or three different color dyes to make the food look good to you, not your dog. You’re in my territory now, DE. Beware. *snort*. I have been studiyng pet foods for years. I probably qualify as a cat nutritionist and i am no slouch when it comes to dogs either. The problems with pet foods and recalls, sadly, has to do with Glutens, particularly corn gluten, which will always be found in cheap foods. If it’s in that expensive bag, you are being screwed. All the recalls have to do with grains and particularly gluten. And then there are the chinese imported ingredients that are so good for them, like melamine.
    There is one “premium” food that is truly a ripoff and that would be science diet, which is essentially an over priced bag of corn and peanut husks.
    Unfortunately I have found that you have to doctor the better foods because the cheap stuff tastes better to them what with all the salt and guts and stuff. laughing here.
    2.
    Uppity Woman, on December 24th, 2009 at 11:11 AM Said:
    just that one speck is 100% real
    And it will say so on the box.
    Chicken meal, for example, is real chicken. All of it. It is then processed and dried into a meal. Meal is more meat that “real chicken” because when the first ingredient is “chicken” it is listed on the bag by weight before it’s processed, with the water in it. So that’s why foods with Meal as fist ingredient are more expensive. It contains more meat. All you have to do is look at the first four ingredients of a pet food to know it’s nature. If the first ingredient is Chicken and the second is rice, it’s got more rice than chicken because the chicken was weighed before the water was removed. It the first ingredient is Chicken Meal, then you can pretty much bet that there’s a lot more chicken in the bag than rice. If the second, third and fourth ingredients are grains, they probably outweigh the amount of meat. Eh, I won’t turn this into a pet forum, but there you have it.

  167. ONE LAST QUESTION:

    My cats are hooked on Science diet for sensitive stomachs – sensitive stomach was all grains

    so I switched to adult cat indoor because this is the ingredient list::

    Chicken By-Product Meal, Corn Gluten Meal, Brewers Rice, Whole Grain Corn, Animal Fat (preserved mixed tocopherols and citric acid), Powdered Cellulose, Chicken Liver Flavor, Soybean Mill Run, Soybean Oil, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Calcium Sulfate, Calcium Carbonate, Vitamin E Supplement, Iodized Salt, Natural Flavor, DL-Methionine, vitamins (L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Folic Acid, Vitamin D3 Supplement), Potassium Citrate, Taurine, Fish Oil, minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), preserved with mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid, L-Arginine, Phosphoric Acid, Beta-Carotene, Rosemary Extract.

  168. You should see if the good cat food companies will pay you to put pictures of their products on your site

  169. PS All five share that one can of low sodium tuna-I crumble it up – was thinking I could moisten it with the grizzley – it really satisfies them more than the regular cat food.

  170. I hate SNL but they had fun with the TSA last night.

  171. Green I never accept advertising. It restricts how you can ‘think”. I would rather just be me, even if i’m not the richer for it. And I certainly do not want to Taylor Marsh myself. There would be a special place in hell for me if I did. So, you will never have to put up with ads on my blog, except for firends like DE and FF. Beyond that, it’s a sellout of the highest order.

  172. Green, it’s funny you mention science diet because I was thinking about it and almost mentioned it. Science Diet is addictive. It’s junk food for cats packaged by the Premier Food Pimping Company, Hills. One of the most expensive foods on the market, it barely contains a hint of meat. The first four ingredients are absoutely horrible, and that’s what counts. However, they pimp their food thru vets who are beholding to them. i’ve had cats addicted to it and it is hell to break the hook. Cats get hugely fat on it because it’s predominantly corn and grains and its ingredients are the antithesis of everything about cat nutrition known to man and vet. yet some vets will continue to tell you it’s great because those cruises are fanfreakingtastic. The first ingredient you posted is byproducts, which essentially can mean anything, including guts and feet. At least it doesn’t have peanut husks in it like their “Advanced Formula” does. And I suppose it’s lucky there is no menadione in it, which is used in some cocktails to euthanize animals, including almost-roadkill. The weight gain in cats on SD is astounding but who wouldn’t gain weight with those first four ingredients? Science Diet is the one food it’s best to walk right by in the pet store. It is an insult to an obligate carnivore, which is probably why they overeat it.

  173. Hahah Green, I just saw your post of the info you copied from me a long time ago. As you can see by my last post, I haven’t changed my opinion of science diet, especially for cats.

    The word “byproduct” is really a red flag. It could be anything including feathers. It’s not controlled. It’s what’s left after everybody else got what they wanted. For the amount Hill’s charges, that meal should be some real meat or chicken. Thieves, they are. You can get ‘byproducts” in cheap supermarket food as the first ingredient, so why pay Hills big bucks for it. Hill’s was also involved in that Menu Foods recall, with the poison corn gluten that kills cats.

    Good on you with the grizzly. they will love it and it will be great for their bodies and especially their fur.

  174. But do you use a dry food? what do you use? because they are addicted and refuse everything else but meow mix and i can’t go for that.

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