Pew Study: Americans see too much religious talk among politicians

Most of us (especially we women, who are the perpetual targets of the Holy War On Dirty Women) have already realized that Theocracy talk has reached nauseating  and dangerous levels in America.

One would think that a country that is fighting theocracies and sacrificing American soldiers’ lives in the Middle East might learn something and be a bit less inclined to want to implement a theocracy in its own land, but nevermind.

Pew Research has been conducting research on religion in American politics for a number of years.  Here is what they have found in their most recent study:

Slightly more than half of the public (54%) says that churches should keep out of politics, compared with 40% who say religious institutions should express their views on social and political matters. This is the third consecutive poll conducted over the past four years in which more people have said churches and other houses of worship should keep out of politics than said they should express their views on social and political topics. By contrast, between 1996 and 2006 the balance of opinion on this question consistently tilted in the opposite direction.

In other words, it appears that churches and religious organizations have over-played their hands in politics — and people have noticed and have become increasingly uncomfortable about it.

I found one chart particularly interesting. It compared perceptions of religious talk within the Republican Party using Santorum supporters vs. Romney supporters. The differences between these two groups is stark. One candidate has more support from the Theocracy crowd and the other has more support among those who think religion ought to stay out of politics. While this is no surprise to those of us who are watching the Republicans play out their primaries, it certainly does paint a picture of an essentially fractured party — with religion being the cause of the injury. As you can see from this chart, Romney voters’ numbers match Democratic numbers far more closely on the question of Church and State, which would seem to indicate in an obvious way that Rick Santorum has a better chance of seeing God (excuse the appropriate pun) than he has of winning a November matchup with Barack Obama.

Keep it up, guys!

I haven’t found a serious study recently addressing what effect the Republican Theocratic lawmaking attempts at both the Congressional and State levels has had on their targeted gender: women. I would love to see an organization like Pew tackle that one.

It is highly possible that all these lawmaking attempts have had a profound effect that could help Barack Obama have his second term. This is what made Obama’s decision to deliberately drop the Contraception Bomb upon them a move of pure Genius–at women’s expense, of course.  So what else is new?

It does seem apparent that Obama knew the Contraception Bomb he lobbed over the fence would throw the Republican Theocrats into a frenzy–and  I am sure they have even exceeded his expectations, thus increasing Obama’s previously dismal poll numbers among women without him lifting a finger. I think the Republican theocratic legislators at the Congressional and State levels  know this bizarro Mullah-Like behavior is a funeral dirge with respect to women’s votes, but for some odd, reason they just don’t care. There doesn’t seem to be any other explanation. It’s almost as if they can’t help themselves and are afflicted with a kind of legislative Tourette’s Syndrome. Seriously.

The Get -Religion- Out- Of- Politics (once easily recognized as Separation of Church and State) question isn’t just a gender issue either. Here is how the opinion rolls out among the two parties and among the valuable Independent voters. Once again, you can see that, over a period of the last decade, the Theocrats have most definitely over-played their hand and are eerily sticking their fingers into their ears and humming while they continue on without regard to the rest of the country:

The blame – or the source of Pride- depending on how you look at the situation, rests with the Evangelical portion of the voter base. Unaffiliated voters are obviously extremely uncomfortable with the insertion of religion into politics. However, this chart is a clear indicator that even among  Religious-affiliated people, the feverish Theocratic talk and lawmaking attempts are making more of their own uncomfortable–except for the rigid Evangelicals. Note the double-digit increases in the number of educated, Mainline Protestant and Catholic voters who think there is too much religion talk in politics. It’s my guess that Rick Santorum’s extremist rhetoric and papal aspirations may have stimulated much of this increase. It’s also highly possible that the the increase in evangelizing in government forums, along with the increased spattering of bizarro and obviously theocratic laws and bills throughout the country,  have all contributed to this growing uneasiness among Americans.

I’m no fossil, but I’m no kid either, and I remember when religion was never or only rarely mentioned in schools and government, beyond the God Bless America line. Except in the case of private schools operated by religious sects, I don’t ever remember a prayer in school of any kind, other than a moment of silence for serious events, such as the assassination of Kennedy. Beyond that, nobody even knew what anybody’s religion was or even if they had a religion. There was no such thiing as a “prayer group”. Kids went to Junior Achievement clubs, they worked on the school paper, but I never saw any religious clubs or arguments over prayer, and I come from a highly Catholic population area. The only time you felt a religion front and center was at a funeral or a wedding.  Beyond that, it was personal and a family affair. I do remember that one day a week, kids could sign up for “religious instruction,” and got released from school an hour early, during which they would go off-site to their church-designated place to talk about God. It was strictly voluntary. So the assumption that all of this religiosity needs to be “put back” in America, in its schools and everywhere else,  is just raw bullshit. It was never a big issue and it is being inserted by force, not “Put back”. But then, I grew up as a “Yankee,” which translates into “heathen” much in the same way all Americans are considered “Infidels” by yet another intrusive Theocracy. One thing we DID do every day, though, was Pledge Of Allegiance and nobody, I mean nobody, resisted. There was a great deal more love of Country then. A GREAT deal.

I’m not sure where all of this frenzied and increasing religious tampering with America’s laws will take the Republican Party, but if it doesn’t end and the emerging Republican candidate is forced to continue to pander to these frenzied Theocrats, it doesn’t look good for them in November. Not at all. Not even God will be able to help them.

49 Responses

  1. How many Republicans think Obama is a Satan-worshiping commie Muslim from Kenya?

  2. The Theocrats just can’t seem to get it. I am a Christian, but I understand that state and church should be separate. How in the world to some of these churches stay tax exempt?

  3. There it goes again with WP! It does not always work the same. So, Uppities when you see smww that is me, WLM! Good grief!

  4. Rick Santorum shouldn’t even be an issue, but the media keeps fluffing him up. He has no ground game at all and seems to be “winning” on the fumes of all this Theocratic hype. Irrationality seems to rule the day.

  5. I’m no fossil, but I’m no kid either, and I remember when religion was never mentioned in schools and government, beyond the God Bless America line. Except in the case of private schools operated by relgious sects, I don’t ever remember a prayer in school of any kind, other than a moment of silence for serious events, such as the assassination of Kennedy. Beyond that, nobody even knew what anybody’s religion was or even if they had a religion. There was no such thiing as a “prayer group”. Kids went to Junior Achievement clubs, they worked on the school paper, but I never saw any relgious clubs, and I come from a high Catholic population area. The only time you felt a religion front and center was at a funeral or a wedding. So the assumption that all of this religiousity needs to be “put back” in America, in its schools and everywhere else is just raw bullshit. It was never a big issue and it’s being INSERTED by FORCE, not “Put back”.

  6. Nuts, they are all nuts. And as for the wimminz vote, the Dems think they don’t need us- they have the acorn contingent- vote early, vote often.
    It is frightening if I think about it. The Roman Catholic church did such a good job when it controlled all of Europe- right? I mean it’s not like keeping the serfs starving and illiterate is a bad thing- right? The Middle East savages running their countries under Sharia are doing so well- right?
    Ignorance works for the power hungry. And there are far far far too many American citizens wallowing in ignorance and blithely following along with the media propaganda.

  7. Geez Uppity! Well that does it- now I KNOW for a fact I am older than you lol! I went to public school( in liberal MA) and up til I think 4th or 5th grade every school day started with a prayer (generic in nature but a prayer none the less) then the Pledge of Allegiance and a patriotic song of some kind.
    After the atheist lady won her case, we went to a “Moment of Silence” to start the day, and kept the pledge and song.
    Damn it, I AM a dinosaur!

  8. Mom I don’t think you’re older than me at all, but we just came from different areas. Still, even with that little prayer, I am sure your school was not dominated with ongoing arguments about religion in school. You took that home with you. It was a family issue.

  9. Rick Santorum shouldn’t even be an issue, but the media keeps fluffing him up. He has no ground game at all and seems to be “winning” on the fumes of all this Theocratic hype. Irrationality seems to rule the day

    It’s not a coincidence that he’s actually the Tea Party’s last choice as not-Mitt. They don’t like him either.

  10. True that Uppity- religion was not discussed in school- just the little prayer in the morning- then on to learning. REAL learning. Reading, writing, arithmetic, history (not the rewritten pc kind) and social studies. And by social studies- they meant learning about the geography of the country and what regions produced which items etc etc.

  11. Let’s see now- does this remind you of certain remarks made back in 08- to some Canadian officials? What an arrogant prick!
    http://news.yahoo.com/president-obama-asks-medvedev-space-missile-defense-election-101729176–abc-news.html

  12. I remember I had a history teacher who wore this big heavy cross around her neck. Nobody said anything, except to joke that she might be old enough to have been involved with the crusades. But even she never mentioned her religion in that history class. Not once.

  13. Let’s see now- does this remind you of certain remarks made back in 08- to some Canadian officials? What an arrogant prick!
    http://news.yahoo.com/president-obama-asks-medvedev-space-missile-defense-election-101729176–abc-news.html

    Beat me to it by 7 minutes, PMM.😉

    Color me unsurprised. But unless gas prices get him or people finally wake up, he might be just telling the truth. I don’t think Romney can beat him.

  14. Gas prices will go down before November. Let’s face it, we have been scammed for years in the Spring. They know people will use more gas so they jack up the prices. Every year we are surprised. It’s like clockwork.

  15. up and down like a yo yo 🙄

  16. (OT) Check out Myiq’s latest & awesome post about the Martin/Zimmerman shooting; he put a lot of work in laying out what we know about what happened.

    http://crayfisher.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/a-different-look-at-the-trayvon-martin-case/

  17. FYI- it is John Smart’s birthday today!

  18. The best part of the gas prices thing is, when the price goes up, the sycophants declare that the president has nothing to do with it. Till the price goes down. When it goes down, the president made it happen.

  19. Allie, funny how your link just disappeared. All you get on click is OOPS! Sorry, the page you requested either doesn’t exist or isn’t available right now!

  20. YOu guys need to go check out myiq’s link to the story. I did post a point to ponder there as well. As I have said right along, this case makes my third eye twitch. But here’s something I just thought of.

    Here’s one to ponder. Officer says he had grass on back of his head and a bloody nose, which agrees with the statement that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman. Zimmerman says he screamed for help. This is confirmed on the audio tape, although Trayvon’s family and friends says it’s him screaming for help. Okay, so now Zimmerman has to shoot Trayvon in self defense. When did he shoot him? Did he manage to get out his gun while TrayVon had him pinned? That could be possibile, considering the yelling stops within seconds of the gunshot……except that if Zimmerman did shoot him with Trayvon on top of him, wouldn’t Zimmerman have had Trayvon’s blood on him? So far, we haven’t seen that in the report. That doesn’t mean it’s not there, just that we haven’t seen it reported. However, if he did not have TrayVon’s blood on him, then he had to have shot him when the two were not in contact. Would this change the nature of the self defense situation? Other possibility is, he managed to change positions with Trayvon and get on top before shooting him. Still, would there not have been some blood splatter with a gunshot that close? I’m no investigator, so what do you think, Myiq?

  21. I had a history teacher who wore this big heavy cross around her neck.

    That’s probably where she hid her stash.

  22. Uppity, Jake Tapper has the video & transcript (warning, video seems to be on autoplay):

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/03/president-obama-asks-medvedev-for-space-on-missile-defense-after-my-election-i-have-more-flexibility/

  23. I’m not a fossil. When I started school, we began each day with the Lord’s Prayer. When we got to the end, the Catholics kids stopped praying while the Protestant kids did the addendum. There were Jewish kids in the class. That this was not an appropriate prayer for them was ignored. “Under God” had recently been added to the Pledge of Allegiance so we mentioned god again. We switched to a “moment of silence” somewhere along the way, but I had teachers whose prayers weren’t always silent. Many school activities like sporting events were begun with a prayer. Town clergy rotated through. When I got to high school, I was chastised by my Latin teacher for not knowing the Lord’s prayer in Latin before I walked in the door. Anytime there was a funeral at the nearby catholic Church, boys were routinely excused from class to do altar boy duties. We learned many religious songs in music class. We had an ecumenical prayer service for our whole class before our graduation. All of this in a public school. While I agree that we do not want to go back there, I would guess that many of the people calling for religion to be put back in school did go to school at a time when it was there front and center.

  24. Still, would there not have been some blood splatter with a gunshot that close? I’m no investigator, so what do you think, Myiq?

    Contrary to what you see on television there often isn’t any blood spatter from a gunshot wound, even at contact range. Bullet and stab wounds are often just small holes. Ever cut yourself and there is a second before the blood appear? With a chest wound most of the hemorrhaging would be internal and if he was shot through the heart and died instantly the blood would ooze, not pump.

    Trayvon was wearing a hoodie jacket and presumably a shirt as well. If Zimmerman pushed the gun up to him and fired at contact range there should have been powder residue but the fabric would probably absorb any spatter.

    Trayvon might have fallen back or to the side and rolled onto his stomach where he was found.

    If I was the investigator I would have seized Zimmerman’s clothing for the crime lab to examine. I would also have examined his hands and the weapon. Trayvon’s clothing would have routinely been sent to the lab. As for the scene the rain and all the people trampling the scene would have played hell with forensic evidence.

  25. Uppity- the story that Allie linked is still live in my comment- maybe the blockquote did something to it?

  26. Trayvon’s suspension was not due to tardiness, it was due to pot.
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/family-pot-linked-trayvon-martin-suspension-16004126#.T3CkszEge3k

  27. myiq, I would differ with you if trayvon was hovering over him as gravity alone would facilitate bleeding. Of course, he may have thrown him off, and even if the hoodie blocked any extreme amount of blood, the hoodie would still be stained. I’m sure with a 9mm, neither of them got thrown around like you see on TV, but if T was on top he would have slumped forward, thus there would have been SOME blood contact, however small.

    I was saying over at your place that there are huge pieces of evidence missing here that either the police are not releasing or the press is not covering. Things like distance between discharge and impact, trajectory, etc.

  28. Ellies, just curious, were you living in an urban setting or a town? There is no way boys got excused for altar boy duty in my city school. And Latin surely was not in the curriculum.

  29. I’m getting that message in three browsers Mom
    http://news.yahoo.com/president-obama-asks-medvedev-space-missile-defense-election-101729176–abc-news.html

  30. I am not speculating on the Trayvon shooting. It is a death, a horrible thing to happen to anyone, yet alone someone that young with their whole life ahead of them. It is more than we are as of now told. The Grand Jury will sort it all out and we shall see. The friends and family of Zimmerman make it clear he is no racist. The one thing that irks the hell out of me is our commander, the boob, instigating racial tensions and boosting his black skin as opposed to his white half with his sickening comment about his “looking like me” bullshit. Unlike the guys on the bills in the US currency as he said during the campaigns.

    How the f**k does this dipwad make a shooting about himself? Freaking opportunistic bastard ego maniac campaigner con man mother f****** from hell.

    Pardon me. Barky makes my head explode.

  31. myiq, I am not using tv as a gauge. I own a 9mm pistol and and thinking about how much damage it can and cannot do. Although I’ve never killed a human, that’s for sure.

  32. Yes Karen, there is no question that Obama would step over anything and anybody to garner both self-aggrandizing points and unrest.

  33. myiq, far as you know, did the police hold his weapon for any period of time or did they just send him home with it?

  34. Upps, I lived in a gated community for 8 years and loved it. Since it is in a remote location in the country the private homes have to pay for snow removal, garbage pick up, bulk removal, etc. and the best way to deal with all our expenses was as a collective. It is in the middle of the woods and no two houses are alike and are very spread apart.

    In one place I lived, not an association, i paid a fortune for garbage pick up, water, sewer etc and it took the police forever to get to us since we were far from town. The association house I had solved all that. Also they met and everybody had input and bad ideas were filtered out and voted down. The newsletters had options and the majority won. As a woman who lives alone I loved that I had a guard at a gate to call if anything happened. They often called the game warden for bears at the trash dumpster etc.

    Say what you want but they are not all bad and mine was excellent.

  35. Well now that is weird Uppity- I can only get to that story from my original linked comment- not form Allie’s or yours- must be cached in the browser?
    As for Latin? It was still required when I went to high school if you were on the college track. By the time I hit junior year you could pick- Latin, French or German- but if you were college bound a language was required.

  36. I went to Catholic school so we started the day with a prayer and the Pledge of Allegiance (with the under God inserted). Alter boy duty was a given but also they would often send a whole classroom, sometimes a whole grade or two, over to the church to sing for a funeral when the service was for a relative of a student. But it was not nearly as in your face as what your hear Sanitarium and his ilk.

    Public school was across the street and the only thing they came over for were fires (lots of fires started in waste baskets since the kids knew all they would do is send them over to our school/church and then early dismissal) and then the bomb threats.

    Latin was no longer on the curriculum . We did learn to sing the Latin mass – but that was for special occasions and you had to have permission – because this was after Vatican II when they went to using the language of the country rather than Latin no matter the location. Too bad in a way. Early exposure to Latin is generally linked to improved performance in foreign language classes.

  37. Emergency new post going up now.

  38. Mom, in my high school, foreign language was required for those on the college track too. Latin wasn’t one of the languages. I believe the options were Spanish, Italian, French or German.

    I can see why it is no longer offered as it simply is not a useful language in the real world. Unless your goal is to become a pope or something. It isn’t really used anywhere except in Catholicism and won’t get you a point on a job application under the bilinqual area.

  39. Oh I agree on the dead language Uppity- though it does come in handy every once in a while for some trivia about root words and such. Our young priest drives us crazy- insists on the Latin Chant Mass for Lent- UGH! I asked him why if we had to sing the acclamations in Latin he does not intone the priest’s parts in Latin too?
    “crickets”

  40. Mom, I wonder if lawyers still have to learn it.

  41. Not sure Uppity- maybe NES will tell us. And what about docs? They used to have to have it too.

  42. Yes that’s right. Doctors too.

  43. I haven’t been Catholic for decades but I sure DO remember the entire latin mass. Of course I don’t know what any of it means because it was all memorization.

  44. and pharmacists.

  45. and pharmacists.

    Yup!

  46. Myiq, your blog piece on the Trayvon case was brilliant. Thank you for your careful, insightful and objective analysis. I learned a lot about the case. Everyone here should go read this piece at Crawdad’s.

  47. Uppity, great post. The last two paragraphs I can totally relate to, we were even told it was impolite to bring up religion.

  48. Ah I finally found Socal and I went to different schools together!🙂

  49. Well, it does kinda seem like we had childhoods that were similar in essentials, but with the different in the sense of East Coast/West Coast.

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