More Revisionist History on Hillary ’08 from Amoral Democratic Operatives

My head wanted to explode when I clicked on The Daily Beast and read Democratic political operative Paul Begala’s article raving about how great Hillary Clinton would be as a presidential nominee in 2016 – if she could just avoid the mistakes she made in her “disastrous” 2008 presidential campaign.  Yes.  Disastrous.  In Begala’s words:

“…her last campaign was a mess. It was riven with rivalries, some of her people were deeply disloyal, and the dirty laundry was aired in public. Hillary herself hates such behavior—and yet it flourished on her watch and under her nose.”

So the two scholarly studies which just concluded that it was sexism which truly doomed her 2008 bid have no merit?

People like to pretend that the presidential nomination was hers for the asking until she blew it.  Just because her name is Clinton.  They seem now to conveniently forget what a double edged sword it is to be married to “Mr. Monica.”  Or that a she is not a he.  A woman being Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces and leader of the free world?  Does anyone believe that in a macho country such as this one,  that would not have given anyone pause?

Before Hillary, no woman had ever won a binding presidential primary.  The closest anyone came was Shirley Chisholm, who won a non-binding primary in New Jersey in 1972.  That’s it.

Their sexism rampant, the majority of mainstream media unearthed unfathomable reasons as to why we should nominate a neophyte with barely two years in the Senate.  This gentleman actually stood up before an audience and declared that living in Indonesia as a child qualified as foreign policy experience.  And people voted for him.  What woman could possibly have made such a statement and not have been laughed off the stage?

Hey, I can see Indonesia from my house!

Not only did Hillary Clinton make history by being the first woman to ever win a binding presidential primary, she won 22 of them:  all the large states, save her opponent’s home state; the majority of the Democratic base;  all the battleground states, not to mention that regardless of the Rules and ByLaws Committee’s Michigan and Florida shenanigans, more American citizens stepped up to ink the dot for her than for Barack Obama.

She accomplished this despite the media’s constant electioneering while voters were going to the polls.  The misogynist media boyz treated her like garbage daily.  Her own party backstabbers are now legend.  She was outspent by a margin of 3, 4 or 5 to one in every single state while being called witch, bitch, domineering mother, hag, yapping troll and inauthentic; simultaneously battling both Clinton fatigue and Clinton Derangement Syndrome.

Yet, only her “disastrous” team’s “infighting” is mentioned by Begala, in a feeble attempt to provide cover fire for a bereft leadership team, excusing all the 2008 culprits from any responsiblity for shafting not only one of their most valuable assets, but disrespecting her 18,000,000 supporters to the bargain.

I guess the fight for women’s votes in 2012 is taking on more urgency by the day.

Begala finds ample space for praise in his article:

Hillary must understand the paradox: the less political you are, the more popular a politician you become; the less you yearn for the presidency, the more the country yearns for you….

Hillary has managed to be strong, forceful, independent—and yet completely loyal. If she runs the state department so flawlessly, the thinking goes, surely she can run a campaign—and the country.

Then there’s her portfolio as secretary of state, which is not exactly easy. WithIranmoving toward a nuclear weapon andIsraeltalking about a preemptive strike, it is Hillary who must defendAmerica’s ally and interests. WithNorth Koreaagain rattling the sabers (in this case an ICBM), it is, again, Hillary who’s responsible forAmerica’s response. Same with the mess inSyria, the crisis inSudan, instability inEgypt, and every other global hotspot. What could be a better preparation for sitting in the Oval Office than serving on-point for the hardest issues in the world?

Tough issues come with the territory, but Hillary is widely recognized to have done an excellent job against difficult odds.

Despite his glowing words, once again, another bone is being thrown to Hillary’s “bitter” supporters:  If Hillary is a good little girl, plays her cards right and pretends that 2008 was all her fault, 2016 will be a walkover.

Nonsense.  Condescending, placating horse hooey.  In 2016, we will see if the same power players and ladder-kickers in the Democartic Party are still present to again undermine the woman they say they now find so appealing.

None of this is to say that parts of her team were not detrimental to her.  Patti Solis Doyle and Mark Penn come to mind.  Her husband had his destructive moments on the trail as well.  I will leave it to the reader to determine whether any of his unhelpful statements came from a subconscious ego need not to have his own wife surpass him, or if Bill was just being Bill.  And yet, she was able to overcome so many ridiculous obstacles, along with the DNC’s cute habit of constantly moving the goal posts.  Mr. Begala has just made all of that evaporate into thin air by using the word “disastrous.”

Shame on him.

Shame on them all.

We would be so much better off had we had a courageous leader like Hillary Clinton.  And if there is even the slightest chance she will run in 2016, I sincerely hope she will not let disasters like Paul Begala anywhere near her campaign.  With friends like him…

*****************************

Anita Finlay is the author of DIRTY WORDS ON CLEAN SKIN: Sexism and Sabotage, a Hillary supporter’s rude awakening, now available on Amazon as a print book and Kindle.  Please visit her website:  www.anitafinlay.com.

About these ads

167 Responses

  1. Her husband had his destructive moments on the trail as well.

    I must respectfully disagree on this part. Otherwise excellent.

  2. Her husband had his destructive moments on the trail as well. I will leave it to the reader to determine whether any of his unhelpful statements came from a subconscious ego need not to have his own wife surpass him, or if Bill was just being Bill.

    I don’t think there was anything done intentionally by the Big Dawg. I think he was just as exasperated by the cr@p being done as Hillary and her campaign were.

    I remember seeing an interview with Bill in Africa while the election was still on I believe, and he was asked about the election. He said something to the effect of “I’ll have more, a lot more to say when this election is over.” Of course that was before Hillary got the nod for S.O.S.

  3. You know this is gauling as hell that in I.E. I get a cursor in this box and it doesn’t do tht resize crap either. :evil:

  4. Sexism was the culprit and still is….one need look only as far as the comments in the linked DB article. The other culprit is CDS. CDS itself was/is a mixture of jealousy (both Clintons really were smarter then most of the DC crowd) and sexism toward Hillary in particular. I used to think that the Republicans were the worst offenders in the sexism against Hillary during the ’90s…..but now I’m not so sure.

  5. This jumped out at me

    WithIranmoving toward a nuclear weapon andIsraeltalking about a preemptive strike, it is Hillary who must defendAmerica’s ally and interests. WithNorth Koreaagain rattling the sabers (in this case an ICBM), it is, again, Hillary who’s responsible forAmerica’s response. Same with the mess inSyria, the crisis inSudan, instability inEgypt, and every other global hotspot.

    Well well well Mr Begala seems, imo, to be setting Hillary up to take the fall for her boss. If Iran or N Korea goes crazy, it will be all her fault. A^^hole.
    She has done a most admirable job as SOS (always thought that abbreviation was quite appropriate by the way) but there is a danger there as many of us have noted here on more than one occasion. The successes will get credited to plastic jesus president and perceived failures will land right at her door. How convenient for teh fraud.

  6. Yes PMM! And what about this?

    What could be a better preparation for sitting in the Oval Office than serving on-point for the hardest issues in the world?

    And remind me again…what was Obama’s “preparation”? Oh yeah….he was…”fresh”…..

  7. WithIranmoving toward a nuclear weapon andIsraeltalking about a preemptive strike, it is Hillary who must defendAmerica’s ally and interests. WithNorth Koreaagain rattling the sabers (in this case an ICBM), it is, again, Hillary who’s responsible forAmerica’s response

    Don’t think that Hillary acts alone in all of those things. Obama either gets a heads-up, a personal meeting or something and then, in one way or another she gets the okay from Teh One. Although, if there is a fubar, they’ll try to put it all on her.

  8. Yeah, Obama is the “decider” (Bushism) and we all know that deciding is not one of Obama’s strong suits.

  9. The fact that Begalla would offer that as the reason Hillary “lost”, and refuse to acknowledge the real issues – sexist media, Obama worshipping idiots in the media, and the Democratic Party which refused to condemn the sexism – shows that he is a weak little man, afraid to speak the truth. He is fully aware that the Democrats refused defend Hillary against the sexist attacks out of fear of potentially weakening Barack’s chances of winning. Nor did they want to cross party leaders who had planned Hillary’s demise, when they hand-picked the inexperienced, corrupt Barack to be awarded the 2008 nomination.

    Of course if Begalla and other Dem talking heads identified the real issues – sexism and media bias – they would then be forced to reacon with the fact that the party that claims to be the great defender of equal rights didn’t lift a finger to defend Hillary against the vile sexist comments made about her almost daily by some reporters and commentators in the media like Chris (tingle-thighs) Matthews and Keith Olberman – AKA Barack’s Bitches (i know – the B word is offensive to me too but it seems to fit).

  10. How does one reach Paul Begala?

  11. Very interesting and well done, Ani.

    Bill was a fantastic surrogate and he too was attacked constantly for decades – the original C in CDS. He was labeled a racist FCS, and that they twisted his words to fitt their plan was unimagineable. Bill drew huge crowds and was praised highly for his marathon days on the campaign trail. He is a pillar of support and a popular guy despite the media’s unrelenting attacks. Big Dawg was robbed by a punk in mom jeans.

    Begala was moved out of CNN election coverage along with Carville and I think the third was a Zimmerman, I have to go find the early primary link to the story. I was outraged that they were labeled as biased towards Hillary so had to go. Brazilenut stayed since she was undeclared…. etc

    BTW Up to SP effigy hanging. It was Halloween so the creep had an excuse for macabre display. Not excusing it.

  12. The blame never lies where it should, does it?

  13. Freespirit! I have no idea how on EARTH you landed in spam. You are officially a regular, because sooner or later, it happens to everybody! I’m sorry!

  14. Nancy I have no idea how to reach begala, but I would like to slap his face. He’s another one who was Made by the clintons. These people are all political WHORES, I swear. They make me sick!

  15. That was fun. I did a search of my old emails and found a tirade about them cutting Hillary’s throat back in January 08. I had a clue that it was going to be a long hard slog through media blitz against her.
    We’d already researched the fraud and saw his plan. We also saw that she was towering above him in every imaginable dept.

    here are two links that I sent to a lot of people with lots of comments!!!

    http://crooksandliars.com/2008/01/25/cnn-benches-carville-begala/

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesmouth/2008/01/cnn_says_no_mor.php

  16. Ok here we go, Nancy. He has his own bio page at Huff Blow, of all places. You can email him from there.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-begala

  17. Begala works for The Daily Beast contact him there.

    Here’s an interesting read… not done with it yet, just found it…

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/04/15/paul-begala-on-obama-and-romney-elitists-for-president.html

  18. Of COURSE she is responsible for America’s response. She’s also responsible for responding in concert with Obama’s policy. You are very right, Fredster. I am so sick and tired of these turncoats joining in on how she’s not doing a good job as President. SHe’s not president. With Barack, everybody takes the blame when it’s not right, and he takes the credit when it is. There is no worse person than that kind of person.

  19. Now he’s weighing in the the SS prostitution thing. As a president he sure is a lowlife. He sticks his nose in things that a president should be above. Thus his silly beer summit. the Trayvon thing. I just think he is the absolutely worst president when it comes to acting like a president.

  20. Her husband had his destructive moments on the trail as well.

    The moments when the Obama camp set him up. Like with the fairy tale remark they took out of context to call him racist. These people are becoming just as despicable as Obama. I hope the Clintons are making notes because what goes around comes around.

  21. Aye, Upps, he is the worst. We saw this mess coming down the road from the Get-Go. Hillary did have backstabbers and incompetents galore in her campaign. Elle article (good read) recently mentioned that Hillary was surrounded by Bill’s people and not her own and that that could have made a huge difference. They sucked – she shined like the sun.

  22. Yep, they crawled up Bill’s coattails and are stuck around his ass level.

  23. Begala’s article at the beast is horrific. Even his criticism of Obama is criticism of Romney intead. “Raising a generation of geniuses”? Is he kidding. We are raising a generation of entitled little snots who can’t even use a canopener. You saw those articles on the Nincompoop Generation and it’s associated book. They are completely without sense. They won’t open a can unless it’s a poptop. They get trophies for showing up and are totally unprepared for the real world. And their colleges are dumbed down to match their dumbed down high schools. Who wouldn’t be on a dumbed down honor roll determined on a CURVE? Begala is being an ass.

    As for Occupy Wall Street. They never got traction so i don’t see where he is on point there, except that at least somebody admits they hailed from the party. They are a flop. Their twinkles were enough to make everybody laugh their asses off and tune them out. Throwing paper airplanes at Wall Street. Get real. As for the Tea Party, they fizzled in the end, admit it or not. Any wing held together by Dick Armey is not a place I want to be. He is a horrid bastard. People rejected the extreme people they championed. Even a write in beat one of them.

  24. No problem. Thanks for rescuing me :-)

  25. Now he’s weighing in the the SS prostitution thing. As a president he sure is a lowlife. He sticks his nose in things that a president should be above

    So true. He’s a tabloid president. TMZ, OMG! If Harvey Levin is reporting it…Obama’s a nose for news! CSPAN, policy wonk….not so much. Just let him eat his waffle why don’t ya’.

  26. spirit. I hate when that happens. WP spam just does it out of the damned sky.

    Yes imust “Tabloid” is the perfect word for it.

  27. What I found most disturbing about 2008 were the Proglodytes that flocked to Obama’s campaign.

    What rock did those creatures crawl out from under?

  28. Upps – GREAT post. just great.

    nancy ~ Begala also has a twitter account. @PaulBegala. I doubt that any of these media whores read anything they get. But have at it.

    Haven’t done my taxes yet. Going now to do them. cross your fingers.
    Have a good Monday everyone.

  29. miqis2xu, I know nobody wants to look at Bill and think that he did anything wrong, but he’s got a huge ego, too. As many of you know from my book, I have documented how his words were taken out of context in some critical cases. But in other cases… he is at super genius level, especially when it comes to politics. Nothing is said by accident, He said and did a couple of things toward the beginning that may have been unconscious — perhaps he said them in frustration, but at one point on a talk show, even Hillary said out loud — “I told Bill, let me handle it.”

    I would be dishonest if I didn’t make the point that much affection as I have for him, he was a double edged sword for her. He did make up for it later in the race by campaigning for her til he dropped, however.

    And everybody knows that Hillary took an awful lot of grief and lost votes simply for her decision to stay with him. Not that this is any of my business. Such a thing never entered into my decision to support her one way or the other.

  30. From ABC News:

    Said Bill Clinton today in Columbia, SC: “Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in ’84 and ’88. Jackson ran a good campaign. And Obama ran a good campaign here.”

    This was in response to a question from ABC News’ David Wright about it taking “two Clintons to beat” Obama. Jackson had not been mentioned.
    ***************************
    The above is what Bill said that was stupid — not the fairy tale comment which, while even more damaging, was b.s. that was taken out of context. The dishonest Russert truncated his comments and then ran with them.

    But as to the above comment, when Clinton brought Jackson into it, this did hurt Hillary, too, because the press went wild with it. As I mentioned this may not have been intentional, but the press gave neither one of them ANY room for error.

  31. And yes, I will write to Begala too and give him an eyeful. He of all people knows that what he wrote is a crock of crap.

  32. failures will land right at her door.sometimes I think that is why he put her there. :(

  33. You hit the nail on the head–yet again, Ani. So now the twits in the Democratic party have come to the realization that they may need the votes of women to stay in the WH. They think that women are so stupid that if they throw a couple of kibbles in our direction about HRC, we will forget all the crap they pulled in 2008. They also believe that if they carry on about contraception and abortion prior to this election that we will forget that they have thrown us under the bus when any restrictive measure has come up in a state legislature or Congress, etc. Because that’s all feminism is folks, the opportunity to service men without paying any consequences. Not job opportunities, not educational opportunities, not decent healthcare, not the right to be safe in your own home or the streets of your own country, but to make sure some Obot has the opportunity to get some with out paying any consequences.

    Correct me if I am wrong people, but isn’t this the same WH that pays its female employees $60,000 to the $71,000 it pays its male employees? And isn’t this this the same WH that had one of its camp
    followers float the idea that mamography is really not necessary on a regular basis because it costs insurance companies too much, after the president spent 40 hours on the golf course with insurance execs? Because corporations should never have to incur any expenses in this brave new world, only collect revenue.

    We need to remember that this is not a contest between good and evil as the talking heads have framed it, but a contest between dumb and dumber.

  34. Yes, AnnE, I had forgotten about the mammogram debacle. Nobody is raisng that issue now. But I guess O really cares about women, huh? Not.

  35. Annie, he was asked if anyone else had done it and he answered Jesse had done it. IIRC.

    I will go look it up now.

  36. Jackson won the SC primary 2X but didn’t win the nomination. That was Bill’s point.

  37. Oh, I just remembered the best article on that subject: Race Man was the name, IIRC.

  38. well that’s true, myiq, but in retrospect it WAS a Opening to scream the Race Card. Jackson-black. So he did give them an opening but mostlly because he was comfortable with race. Remember when they called Bill the nation’s first black president. He was not sensitive to those details because he was not a racist and wasn’t walking around all his like darting his eyes and worrying about what he said, mainly because anyone who knew him KNEW he wasn’t a racist. He didn’t expect Obama to use the Race card, which he had to do because he was about to go down. He did it for gain just like he still does it for gain. Just like he does EVERYTHING for gain.

  39. failures will land right at her door.sometimes I think that is why he put her there

    Too bad for him it’s backfired time and again. He will NEVER be as popular as she is now.

  40. Race Man was in The New Republic, by Sean Wilentz. It was excellent. He was interviewed by Tucker Carlson about it. At the end of the interview, Carlson said, that Wilentz point was excellently argued and he found his article compelling.

    And then we never heard another word about it.

    God forbid they should tell the truth about who was doing the race baiting.

  41. Uppity — well stated. That is it exactly. The media likely blew that comment up too and it may have meant nothing. But at the time it was not helpful.

    These two had no margin for error in anything they said — it was scrutinized beyond belief because the media, which functioned as Obama’s PR firm, wanted to find anything to hang the Clintons out to dry with.

  42. I knew Sean Wilentz from his Dylan work so this was something that I spread far and wide:

    http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/race-man

    the pertinent remark explanation is down around half way. If you do word find for Jesse you will find the quote Ani mentions plus an excellent explanation of what brilliant Bill was on about.

    Race never was an issue in any way. period.

  43. Yep, the Big Dawg has screwed up a few times ( no pun intended:) . The Monica thing was over the top and created so much sorrow for his family. Had I been Hillary, I would have tried to enlist the services of Lorena Bobbit. But, I as others have said, respect her right to handle her marital problems in whatever way she sees fit. None of us can know all of the personal details that influence a couple’s decisions.

    What gets me is the fact that the media find a reason to work that disgraceful incident into any and every news item about Bill. They could be announcing that his foundation had saved the life of every AIDS victim on the planet, and that bit of info would be preceeded or followed by a reminder that Clinton’s presidency was tarnished by his indescretion with Monica. During Hillary’s campaign, they mentioned it almost hourly.

    I just want to scream to MSM – GET OVER IT! It happened a long time ago. It’s old news. Grow the hell up!

    Surely, it’s no longer really necessary to bring it up – it’s just another way of taking a swat at a Clinton.

    As far as his mistakes during her campaign go – yes, he could have used better judgement on occasion. But, had that happened to Barack, or any other candidate, for that matter, little, if anything, would have been mentioned. No one in MSM had a problem with Michelle griping about the campaign dragging on too long because Hillary just wouldn’t qut, and poor Barack was tired.

    Damn! I gotta go. I’m getting so angry just thinking about it all again, I’m gonna have a stroke before I even get to work. lol

  44. oooh, I just found the mother lode of links from those days. This one said a whole lot in one place too:

    http://www.beyondchron.org/articles/The_Obama_Craze_Count_Me_Out_5413.html

  45. No, of course it was not an issue.

  46. Free spirit, well said. And no don’t get a stroke!!! That was the problem — Obama could say any piece of nonsense he wanted to as the day is long and the press would excuse it, but as I covered in Dirty Words about 500 times, anything Hillary said, or Bill was massaged and scrutinized for every negative meaning imaginable.

    For the record, this post is not about criticizing them — but the bastards who are trying to pretend that it would have been a cakewalk had Hillary not “messed up.”

  47. Penn was awful. Her campaigns responses to the constant attacks were on her website Fact page. Few people will go to a candidates spin pages since that is what they normally contain. In her campaigns case her defense also included links and research into the matters that were conclusively in her favor. Die hard supporters read those pages daily but few regular people knew about it. They should have had pitbulls on all the media sources screaming about how things really were but instead they were ultra polite. I can remember one night Begala was kept waiting off stage while a circle of Hillary sharks spewed absolute lies about her. Then they’d let in the Hillary surrogate to pick apart the bones as they all ganged up on the truth with lies.

    Good. At least I am not in the sad and crying mode that I was in yesterday remembering the RBC disaster. Today I am in the STILL angry at them all mode!!!

    My sadness and anger are just beneath my skin. Still. Those bastards.

  48. I think it’s funny how Bill was such a fumble-tongued pariah on the campaign trail until Hillary ended her campaign and endorsed Obama. Then Bill became the go-to guy when Obama and the Democrats needed help.

  49. But Bill got Obama back a few times on the trail as well. Do you remember when he was campaigning for Obama — he was on stage and about to introduce him.

    Bill said that when Obama didn’t know or understand something, he asked so many questions of this one and that one until he did. Obama was fuming offstage because Bill, in that golly gosh sweet down home way of his, made Obama sound like a dolt who had to ask which way the bathroom was…priceless.

  50. Uppity- I really really like your Senator Gillibrand. Just got an email from her reminding me that tomorrow is “Equal Pay Day” – the day in the year

    marking how much longer women have to work to earn as much as men.

    She is co-sponsoring the Paycheck Fairness Act as well.
    Wait, wait wait a minute! But but but- the bots told me that Barry already passed the Lilly Ledbetter Act! /s
    You have one hardworking Senator there. Hope she runs for the top slot some day. I would vote for her!

  51. Anita, Upps has that fantastic “Adult Supervision” pick in the margin. Bill told bo that he’d only take a few questions from the press and then leave but he stuck around for about a half hour iirc. Bill was better in that half hour than bo was in his three years before the press.

    I found the Elle quote I had mentioned above. It is about the book I haven’t read yet about 08 and it says much the same as Begala did.

    “But Clinton’s personal faith in Bill hasn’t always served her professionally. Rebecca Traister argues in Big Girls Don’t Cry, her book about the 2008 election, that fundamentally, Clinton’s presidential campaign hit the skids not because the American people didn’t believe in her, but because Clinton didn’t believe in herself and her longtime staffers. “She hired men who’d put other men in office, her husband included,” Traister said, “instead of the people who’d given her a base of counsel, loyalty, and strength over the years.” Without this anchor to who she really was, she foundered, getting caught up in what many called a tone-deaf effort to seem like a member of the old boys’ club.

    Though it was too late to win, Clinton did gain traction by the end of that campaign, when she started emphasizing that she was, first and foremost, a woman and a fierce fighter for the under­dog—distancing herself from pollster Mark Penn, who’d advised Clinton to ignore her gender and instead convince Americans that she was, hold onto your seats, a father figure.”

    She should not have ignored her gender. She should have rattled sabers and lead a counter attack against female bias.

    imho.

  52. Yup, that is another great find, Karen. Uppity is the clearinghouse. That’s for sure.

  53. Gillibrand was trying to throw Hillary’s hat into the ring for 2016 just a couple of weeks ago…

  54. Thank you for exposing the revisionist crap. I read the article and made me angry that after 18 million HRC voters and a historical campaign, they have the travesty to call it a failure.

  55. You’re right, bellecat. It is a disgrace that she won more votes than any candidate in primary history and Begala, who absolutely knows better, has the audacity to call her campaign a “mess” –especially after all the crap she had to counter each and every day.

  56. who’d advised Clinton to ignore her gender and instead convince Americans that she was, hold onto your seats, a father figure.”

    Rolling my eyes here. I hope she stiffed Penn on his bill.

  57. Hate to say it, but Bill was a nervous wreck campaigning for Hillary. He does better with strangers, where he’s not invested. I think all of us would have the same problem.

  58. Hmmm. Just have to share. Back in 08, had the opportunity to see Hillary and Bill out here in the boondocks. Both were electrifying, competent, policy wonk speakers, that somehow managed to break it all down for a working class/poor audience without talking down to us. BOTH reached out to the audience in a way that few speakers I have heard are able to do. Hillary had an appearance alone in Erie, Bill had one alone in the tiny town next door at a local college, and there was another event I went to in Erie as well.
    I don’t recall teh one coming anywhere near here. Pittsburgh, Youngstown – the big union towns- but not out here in the back of beyond.
    I well remember seeing/hearing Big Dawg in Boston – it was probably for the 94 cycle. What an orator he is!
    But Hillary! Hillary touched my heart and mind in a way that will remain with me forever!

  59. Ani, thanks for the post on Begala’s untruthful article. I don’t visit the Daily Beast, so would not have seen it. I would really like to know if Hillary Clinton was surprised at all the sexism by both parties? She had to be surprised at being called a “racist.” During the campaign I printed loads of sexism articles about her. I wanted to save them for my great niece.

  60. Ani, smww is also WLM.

  61. I think it did blindside her a bit — not that it existed, but the extremes of sexism. I could also tell from her expression that she was terribly bruised by the betrayal by those in her own party. I think that was far worse for her. I think she thought she had really showed up and earned her keep with this bunch. I don’t think she was expecting Schumer, Dodd, et al to act like they did.

  62. The irony about the Monica thing is the very people who were front and center of his skewering were doing the same or worse. Gingrich was busy office-humping what was later to become his thrid wife. His explanation today is, golly,everybody makes missssssssstakeeeeeees. What about John Edwards talking down his nose about what bill did. That filthy pig, and dying-wife abuser. I won’t even get into Mark “I hiked to Argentina” Sanford.

  63. Thanks for finding that dickless twit’s contact info on Huff Po. I have been lauughing at that French cat’s existential crisis for 2 days and could use a useful project

  64. I have been lauughing at that French cat’s existential crisis for 2 days and could use a useful project

    I know! I still crack up if I listen to it. Hilarious. The Albert Camus of cats.

  65. Another one that alway cracks me up is the Rossini duet ……….and the herding cats commercial.

  66. True that, Uppity. But we will hear about Monica every day for the rest of our lives. Edwards really deserves to go to jail. Beyond his crimes with campaign financing, he truly functioned as a spoiler to stop HRC from getting the nod. There could be no other reason for him being in the race, especially since insiders knew of his scandal and kept quiet at the time — averring they would stop his campaign themselves if it went too far — but apparently their consciences did not kick in in time to take him out of contention from taking Iowa votes from her.

  67. Oh hell I’m posting them. We NEED the laughs.

  68. I will avoid reading Begala. Lest my blood pressure get higher. And I blow a gasket.

    Holy shit! Will these assholes ever STOP?!

  69. omg I just stopped by taking a break from taxes, and I loved them. i don’t know how I didn’t know about them before. THANK YOU. :D

  70. Yellardawg, their day will come because I’m sure Hillary is taking note.

  71. I am laughing my ass off at the hints in the press that Hillary is gonna ride to the rescue by taking a VP slot!! I posted this on His44, about what I hope her response is:

    Journolisters: Mom?

    Hillary: Yeah. Where are you?

    J: We’re in the parking lot at Whole Foods in the middle of Virginia. I think. The recent past is kind of a blur. There were some styrofoam columns, and fainting….. and then I’m not sure where we went after that. We weren’t really paying attention, to be honest.

    H: And?

    J: See… the thing is, we need a ride home. And money to tow the car. And probably a new transmission.

    H: I see. And didn’t I tell you that crappy car was in no shape to do an 800 mile trip?

    J: Yeah, but….see, we hit this skid patch coming around Route 2010, and next thing we knew Barry had us in the middle of a cornfield, and half the damn undercarriage of the car was gone! And….

    H: And I seem to recall that you are over 21 (as you kept reminding me), and didn’t need your stinkin’ mother to tell you it was a bad idea to go careening off across the country half-drunk on hopenchange with no money in your pockets and a piece of shit vehicle with 3 bald tires.

    J: Well, yeah, Mom, but you HAVE to come pick us up, because there’s some guys hanging around here who don’t look too friendly – I think the ringleader is called Mitt, and he keeps smirking and pointing at our crapped-out car….and we are getting really nervous here, Mom!

    H: Where is the nearest bus station?

    J: It’s…..um….. I think it’s around the intersection of 2012 and High Unemployment St.

    H: Then I suggest you start walking.

    J: But…but….Mo-ooooooom!

    *click*

  72. OMG WMCB. Hilarious!!!!!

  73. WCMB I would LOVE to use that in a post. Permission? With credit of course.

  74. Leslie, you need this.

  75. Feel free, UW! It just pisses me off how they want Hillary to come save their sorry asses after they spit all over her.

  76. Thanks WMCB. I shall call the post Journolisters Phone Home.

  77. “Nancy I have no idea how to reach begala, but I would like to slap his face. He’s another one who was Made by the clintons. These people are all political WHORES, I swear. They make me sick!”

    HOW TRUE!!!!!! thanks!

  78. The daily WH/Dem polling must be in free fall. That is the only thing that could scare them this bad.

  79. GOD DAMMIT! The swine found a way to take attention away from backtracks gaffes in South America- by- wait for it-
    making Hillary into a slutty beer drinker! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! I just want to puke!
    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/hillary-clinton-parties-colombia-photos-dancing-beer-slugging-142828267.html

  80. The photo (below) landed on the Post’s front page. The headline: “SWILLARY.”

    “Front page picture of ‘Swillary’ Clinton is brutally unfair,” Ari Fleischer, former White House press secretary under George W. Bush and current CNN analyst, wrote on Twitter. “She drank a beer at a summit meeting event. So what?”
    *************************************
    It’s Yahoo news so what can we expect.

    But you’re right, PMM. I didn’t want to look at it that way but that is exactly what it is — another distraction and a way to give a slam to her and a pass to him.

  81. Uppity, I just frontpaged it at crawdad’s, but still feel free to post if you want. I expanded it a bit.

  82. damn that myiq. lol

  83. You’re famous now WCMB.

  84. Uppity, thanks for posting the Meow Duet and the Cat Herding again. Those two kids singing did such a wonderful job with a straight face!

    WMCB, enjoyed your Hillary script with the losers.

  85. Famous? Yeah, whatever UW. :D I have really resisted front paging before now, because I much prefer to be the one gadflying about in comments with nooooo expectations or responsibilities. That’s likely what I’ll still mostly do.

  86. Obama’s administration is filthy with the stonewalling:

  87. WMCB, when you produce a gem like you just did, it is your RESPONSIBILITY to front page.

  88. LOL on the Fifth Amendment ad- I think it is the only part of the Constitution they know.

  89. WCMB, hilarious!!! What a creep begala is, will also email him. I was looking for the Hillary beer thing, and TMZ (well known gossip site) has had posts up about since last nite. Their posts aren’t critical about her, sort of like good for her, but some of the comments are vicious.

    Great post, Ani!

  90. For all his faults, the Big Dawg is the only 2-term Democratic POYUS since FDR. His administration was a golden age of peace and prosperity and even after the impeachment he had approval ratings in the mid-60′s. Even now he is second only to Hillary.

    Look at how all the GOP candidates bow and scrape to the ghost of Ronnie Raygun. They Republicans treat Raygun like a demi-god.

    The Democratic establishment, the media and the Proglodytes treat Bill Clinton like an embarrassment.

    But the voters still love him.

  91. Just caught an interview about Hillary’s fun in a club in Colombia on the Neil Cavuto show on Fox News. Another Fox personality was hosting the show.
    Guest,Niles Gardiner, said that she is an embarassment to the U.S and that she should not have been carrying on on the taxpayer’s dollar. Said she looked like she was trying out for the Jersey Shore. Then Dee Dee Banke, a GOP strategist, was interviewed and she said she would tell Hillary, “Good for you!” You’ve done a great job.” Said she deserved down time and that she defends her right to do this. Said if Hillary was a “Hank”, everyone would be saying “that’s great.”

  92. Well, WP didn’t let me finish. So, the interviewer asked Banke if she were calling Niles Gardiner a sexist and she said ‘Yes’. She said that she would love to buy Hillary a beer and that woman should support other strong women.

  93. The Democratic establishment, the media and the Proglodytes treat Bill Clinton like an embarrassment.

    But the voters still love him.

    …..And that makes the party elites crazy. They tried to put him in the crapper. And the failed. Miserably. TThey will never succeed at it. He’s just way out of their league in popularity – and they know it. That this last four years have been dismal in every respect is a stain on them that will never go away. But they hate admitting failure or that they were dead wrong. They also figured we 18 million would forget. We didn’t. Now they are forced to humble themselves before Hillary and that makes them sick and us thrilled.

  94. Incidentally, Bill could run against Barack right now and wipe the floor with him.

  95. myiq — I still love him, too — despite his personal foibles. But the lefty lefties, in their short sightedness, will never forgive him for working with Republicans (even when he worked them over) — and a number of Repubs.were actually waxing nostalgic about having him back. They should have thought of that when they did nothing but hunt him down for 8 years.

  96. This is the kind of crap in the Hillary vs. Obama debate that really makes me p’od:
    “Hillary must understand the paradox: the less political you are, the more popular a politician you become; the less you yearn for the presidency, the more the country yearns for you….”

    Can we please stop with this meme that Obama is a non-political animal? It’s the fact that he was portrayed as above politics and a non-politician, just a community organizer that got us in this hole to begin with. It’s the reason that so many with Obama Derangement Syndrome (of a different kind from CDS since it allows them to unquestioningly support / defend Obama) have suspended their critical thinking skills. I am getting so sick of the tired meme that Hillary is soooooooo political that her identity shifts with the prevailing political winds while Obama is some kind of moral stalwart …. I could just spit nails.

    So as the faux-raving support for Hillary as evidenced from Begala reminds us of the points elucidated by many of my fellow-Uppyitities above thread … he ultimately serves to let the anti-Hillary memes flourish. The question again is why do they feel to consistently set-up Hillary as the fall-guy for all problematic-things-Obama ….

    Perhaps this helps:
    http://www.freerangelongmont.com/2012/03/25/boco-obama-nomination-not-unanimous/

  97. The lefty lefties could never win a national election. Hillary is a moderate (moderate-right on crime, military and international affairs and moderate left on domestic and social issues).

    Obama posed as a progressive to progressives and as a moderate to moderates. But he’s farther to the right than Hillary on everything.

  98. Can we please stop with this meme that Obama is a non-political animal?

    Obama is a politician without an ideology. In practice he is a moderate conservative, but so are his financial backers. As a state senator he was a lefty by rhetoric but wouldn’t take stands on any controversial issues.

    Think about this – can you say with certainty what his true political beliefs are?

  99. They hate Bill because Bill, while a liberal, is not a freaking “glorious revolution”utopian idealogue – which is what the Dem party is filthy with these days. Whether you liked ALL of his policies, or still thought the federal govt was too big or not, he never had intentions of turning this country into some Statist’s wet dream, like they do.

    He was not an authoritarian, he was practical – which is why he had no problem working closely with even the evil republicans and Noot on things like fiscal sanity, while resisting them on things they perhaps needed resisting on.

    He wasn’t afraid to look at something like welfare reform and say, “Ya know, those wingnuts have a point. They might go too far, but they still have a valid POINT.” No, Bill was not perfect either politically or personally – far from it. But he was the best president the Dems have produced in my adult lifetime.

    And I think that’s the root cause of WHY they hate him – because he proved that Dem govt can work without going to a batshit communist crazy extreme. And if that’s possible, then where does that leave your revolution?

    If the Dem Party had run Clinton types from his presidency on out, they would have won it all – so dissing him seems to make no sense to us. But it makes sense if you look at their real desires: not to win and govern, but to transform America into something entirely different than what she is. For THAT, a Bill Clinton just won’t do, so they had to destroy any good remembrance of the 90′s.

  100. myiq, OWS is the perfect picture of Obama. An idiot with perhaps no nefarious plans (or any real plans at all) surrounded by and being used by everything from Big Money to determined far-left radicals. He’ll get in bed with anyone at all.

  101. You are exactly right, myiq. The far left AND the far right could NEVER win.

  102. Think about this – can you say with certainty what his true political beliefs are?
    ***********************
    myiq, I don’t think anyone can, because they are all based on opportunism as you correctly point out.

  103. Remember when the Proglodytes went batshit because Hillary sat down and talked with Richard Mellon Scaife?

    “ZOMG! He’s the enemy!!!11!

    But all she did is talk with him. She didn’t kiss his ass or sell him her soul. And when she was done he was impressed. His newspaper endorsed Hillary in the PA primary.

    This was the same guy who spent millions funding the VRWC against the Clintons.

    Meanwhile the Proglodytes praised Teh Precious for his unique ability to reach across the aisle and bring people together. Unfortunately they still can’t provide a single example of this alleged ability.

  104. Yes I remember that!

  105. That was so brave of her — and I loved her comment when she did the interview with Scaife. I believe she said,”Well, it seemed counterintuitive but I thought it would be fun.”

    She was always the one in the Senate with the record of reaching across the aisle to get something done.

  106. Exactly, myiq. Obama is the poster child for OWS because of his seeming lack of political opinion. He really takes no stance on anything publicly and really is an empty suit for them to project their utopia upon. I remember when Obama was defending IL-BAIPA and when someone in the media asked him to clarify his support for it, he threw the blame at IL Planned Parenthood saying that THEY told him how to vote. One clue for me, that Obama refused to aggressively defend his moral principals, and indeed lacked such principals. And he continues this deflection today even with foreign policy, it seems his whole foreign policy persona is what Hillary tells him to do (as Uppity pointed out last week), the real face of Hillary. And looky what Amy Schiller from the Nation said:

    “Yet for progressives, Clinton’s aggressive militarism is still a problem. Her presidential campaign received far more money from defense contractors than any other candidate—Democrat or Republican. In both her 2007 and 2009 speeches before the Council on Foreign Relations, she called for a “tough-minded, muscular foreign and defense policy.” Clinton engineered the US intervention in last year’s Libyan conflict, in a move that won her accolades for her celebrated resolve, but set a precedent for aggression justified by humanitarian objectives. Is a fantasy of a take-no-prisoners unilateralism—the sort Obama, for reasons good and bad, hasn’t embraced—the real attraction behind the viral sensation?”

    Her final point: “…we should gird ourselves for even greater disappointment in store with Clinton—after all, she was the first lady of the Third Way.”

  107. “Yet for progressives, Clinton’s aggressive militarism is still a problem.”

    Hillary was in a no-win situation.

    Republicans are presumed to be strong on defense and crime. Democrats are presumed to be weak. I’m not saying this presumption is correct, just that it exists. As a woman Democrat Hillary had to establish her credentials by being a hawk on military, foreign policy and crime issues, otherwise she would get hammered in a general election as weak.

    According to the lefty left, Hillary and Hillary alone was responsible for the Iraq war.

  108. fembots, this kind of crap just drives me batshit crazy. The proglodytes’ ability to absolve Obama of any blame, ever, for anything at all:

    Clinton engineered the US intervention in last year’s Libyan conflict, in a move that won her accolades for her celebrated resolve, but set a precedent for aggression justified by humanitarian objectives. Is a fantasy of a take-no-prisoners unilateralism—the sort Obama, for reasons good and bad, hasn’t embraced

    So….the fucking PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES had zero zip nada to do with invading Libya. Nope, he “doesn’t embrace” that kind of thing at all. It was all that girl. Secretaries of States just send in troops all by their little selves, you know. The president was probably off doing hot yoga with Vladimir or somethin’, like presidents always do while their administration is making decisions about planes and bombs.

    Well, FUCK ME, I wasted soooo much time ranting and raving at George W. Bush for things that were evidently not his fault at all!! Who knew? If I had known he wasn’t responsible unless he drove the tank himself, I’d have been much less agitated at the man.

  109. Truth of the matter is……OBAMA REALLY WAS A FAIRY TALE.

  110. Well, she was “throwing rocks at his window, after all”

    …ugh.

  111. WMCB — right! We would never had seen anything like that written about Condi. Because we all knew that Cheney was the real power behind the throne, right? LOL

    I seem to remember that MoveOn and the Nation were the main mouthpieces for the “Hillary voted for the Iraq War” meme?

    Yeah, I realize like Myiq said that Hillary need to look more hawk-like but Obama is no dove. If I remember correctly some Indian tribe dubbed him a Walking Eagle.

    http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/president-obama-recieves-walking-eagle-award-from-american-indian-nation/blog-193989/

  112. LOL on Barney Frank. He has nothing to lose now- he “chose” not to run for reelection did he not? Something about redistricting iirc. He must be jonesing for a media fix.

  113. Fabulous rant Ani. I tweeted it to Begala, the asswipe.

    There are lots of reasons to keep harping on the Hillary 2016 thing:
    - keeping us in line.
    - attempting to keep her in line. Oh, the stories the Clintons could tell if there were no carrot on a stick
    - burn out the audience. If you talk it to death now, it will be tired in 4 years.

  114. If anyone is interested, a black republican woman, Talitha McEachin, has a post up asking some pointed questions to both black people and white people, and people are answering. She wants to have that “conversation on race” that everyone is so afraid to have. She plans to make it a series.

    http://kiradavis.net/an-introductionthe-top-10-things-black-white-americans-want-to-know-about-one-another-but-are-afraid-to-ask/#comment-4059

  115. Truth of the matter is……OBAMA REALLY WAS A FAIRY TALE.

    Simple truth. A fairy tale idiots believed in.

  116. Obama posed as a progressive to progressives and as a moderate to moderates. But he’s farther to the right than Hillary on everything.

    I agree with the first sentence. I don’t with the second — I think Obama is the worst kind of ‘limousine liberal/lefty.’ The kind who believes in restribution of wealth for everyone but himself; the kind who’s obsessed with equal outcomes rather than equal opportunity.

  117. Edwards really deserves to go to jail.

    No fan of Edwards, but I disagree with this. No one should be jailed if they haven’t committed a crime. The charge against him is not kosher.

  118. who’d advised Clinton to ignore her gender and instead convince Americans that she was, hold onto your seats, a father figure.”

    Rolling my eyes here. I hope she stiffed Penn on his bill.

    She should’ve had Penn put to sleep ‘with the fishes.’ That was a massive bit of political malpractice; ditto the related strategy of having her run, essentially, a ‘Rose Gdn. campaign’ when she wasn’t in the WH.

  119. Gillibrand needs to throw her own hat in the ring.

    Seriously, guys, I feel so protective about Hillary now, and so disgusted at the Dem Pty that trashed her, I almost couldn’t bear it if she did them the favor of running again. We all know what’s going to happen…the party will gravitate to the young Andrew Cuoma or some other (beta-male) ‘stud.’

  120. She should not have ignored her gender. She should have rattled sabers and lead a counter attack against female bias.

    imho.

    Agreed. Of course, it’s easy now to ‘Monday morning quarterback,’ but I do think there’s much truth to what Karen says.

  121. Still spittin’ mad

    What could be a better preparation for sitting in the Oval Office than serving on-point for the hardest issues in the world?

    Screw you, Begala. How come Obama didn’t have to have ANY?

  122. karen — Race Man was a great article.

  123. NES — have we discovered there is no truth to the charge that he used campaign funds to finance housing his mistress. Is that bogus?

  124. Ani: I’ve started in on your book. It’s riveting and powerful.

  125. Thanks so much, NES. :)

  126. Newt found my pengy!!!

  127. Found an interesting article re: Buffet. It seems that he bought the particular railroad in 2009 that will be shipping all that oil that Obama refuses to let flow through the Keystone pipeline. Making a tidy profit from no pipeline, that Mr. Buffet will be. Isn’t that just cozy?

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/warren-buffett-profits-hugely-from-obama-keystone-decision/

  128. Ani: My belief about crimes is that they should be clearly spelled out so that the perp knows — is, or should be, on notice — that his/her actions are a crime. The inquiry is heightened because of the constitutional due process rights of anyone accused of a crime — life or liberty being in the balance is a serious matter. In Edwards’ case, it’s unclear that he committed the charged crime: he didn’t directly use his campaign funds for the alleged purpose; rather, one of his super-rich supporters financed the mistress. Does that help Edwards by indirectly accomplishing what he couldn’t do directly? Yes. Is it a crime under the statute he’s being prosecuted under? Reasonable persons can disagree. Where the statute is unclear, it should be clarified or modified by the legislature, but it shouldn’t be the basis for a criminal prosecution. If I were on the jury — and much as I dislike Edwards and the damage he did to our girl Hillary — I’d vote to acquit.

  129. imust, for that bite you must reward your pengy. Give it its very own iceberg!

  130. NES — thanks for the detailed explanation. The charges were made to sounds (by the drive by media) as though this came right out of campaign funds.

  131. sorry — made to sound.

  132. HAHAHA pengy bit newt. MY kinda pengy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  133. It shoulda bit his dick.

  134. It tried, Uppity, but even a penguin had a hard time getting ahold of that little minnow.

  135. BAHAHAHAHAHA!

  136. Hey Ani! H44 latched onto your post and linked it and send a coupla zillion hits our way.

  137. Finished the book, Ani….terrific! Just recovering from bought of flu. So, you have two tuxies? And they were looking at you “do the wave” as Hillary appeared in Senate? “There she goes again!” I can just see that. Great 5-star job.

  138. Yay for the Pengy! btw, some funny person left this in the thread about Snewt and Pengy:

    “Gingrich required a bandage. The penguin required a tetanus shot and was hospitalized for observation.”

  139. Ani, I haven’t finished yet, but love it. Although it makes me furious all over again, which means of course that you’ve done an excellent job of recreating what happened. I will do a review when I’m done. I keep checking in at Amazon & clicking the Helpful buttons on your 5 star reviews.

  140. Hal, sorry you’ve been under the weather. Take care!

  141. Uppity Woman, on April 16, 2012 at 10:53 PM said:
    Hey Ani! H44 latched onto your post and linked it and send a coupla zillion hits our way
    *******************

    Your kidding! Wow. How nice.

  142. Hal, thank you — I get such a kick out the fact that you latch on to the few comic moments!

  143. Socalannie — as I wrote to Uppityearlier, I know reading the book is a double edged sword for many, so thank you for hanging in there with it.

  144. So are Snewt & Yawn Paul still in the primary? Its not over yet?

  145. I will never forget 2008, and the whole NQ scene. I am thinking it would be nice to get your book put in some Women’s Studies at schools or libraries. I’m going to do that for my town, but what else can we do to promote it?

  146. I have to post this just because of the new name for Axelrod. This the ONLY way I will refer to him henceforth. ROTFLMAO!

    Pornstache McCombover to plot class warfare from new $1.7 million Gold Coast digs chicagotribune.com/business/break… cc @davidaxelrod—
    David Burge (@iowahawkblog) April 17, 2012

  147. Socalannie, it is very kind of you to ask…From the ground level, it is all word of mouth, so keep talking about it, suggest others buy the book. Facebook pages and twitter are great just to add a link to the website, that way people can see the 2 minute video — I think the video is a good selling tool because it is very unifying. The worst thing to do is to be too belligerent about O, unless you know who your talking to already likes that — sticking with the real war on women meme and better treatment for all seems to work in terms of a pitch — even email the website which has video to someone you think might relate — all that helps.

    My publicist has already lined up two interviews for me this week — one with a radio station and one with an international news wire, so we shall see. But people who read and enjoy it, hit the “like” button at Amazon and do a short review — all that helps a lot.

  148. 12 reviews on Amazon so far, all 5-star. Let’s sign in and give a boost to those reviews by clicking on the YES buttons below every review. Doesn’t take long at all and then Anita gets an “I liked this book!” One person does not, but apparently, didn’t bother to read it. As Ani said,
    “I know reading the book is a double edged sword for many.” It is, but that’s a plus, Anita= You cover about how women in both parties are, in your word, homogenized and suffer from sexist attacks. Your treatment of Michelle Obama, in particular, came as somewhat of a surprise, but now I understand her more, thanks to you.

  149. Thanks, Hal. For purposes of the larger picture in looking at the sexism leveled at all women in one way or another, it was important to cover everyone fairly and positively. And I’m sure you can suss out all the reasons for that.

  150. NES, Gillibrand is pretty cool, but I think we need to go back to electing people with more experience, especially executive experience. Maybe she could become governor first.

    Plus, Hillary is nothing if not a good learner. I think she’d be forearmed this time about backstabbers.

  151. I am thinking it would be nice to get your book put in some Women’s Studies at schools or libraries. I’m going to do that for my town, but what else can we do to promote it?

    socal, you’re reading my mind! We’re going to have a post on Wednesday addressing that very issue! (But I bet it was the idea of that smart kid Laker, and you stole it from him, ‘fess up! lol)

  152. It shoulda bit his dick.

    Maybe it didn’t like the taste of his necktie.

  153. It is my understanding that HRC expressed “closure” with elected office and I do believe that her “smarts” will be put to better use on that World Banking Committee.

  154. NES, Gillibrand is pretty cool, but I think we need to go back to electing people with more experience, especially executive experience. Maybe she could become governor first.

    I disagree, lorac’ers. Women can’t wait. Men don’t wait. Hillary was a good girl in waiting and getting experience – she should’ve challenged Kerry for the nomination in ’04…it was her moment.

  155. But I believe most candidates traditionally have had governor experience. I think Hillary and Obama were the first two senators to run….? (I’m not a history expert, and my memory sucks, so….. lol)

    I don’t think there should be a different rule for the genders, no not at all. I just think Obama changed everything, the bar is rolling around on the ground! I hope post-O that as a nation we will push for higher expectations for eligibility for office.

  156. We’ll have to agree to disagree, and Hillary can come retire down here in SoCal. :)

  157. Upps check your email when you can.

  158. and Hillary can come retire down here in SoCal

    Fagettabowtit. She belongs to us New Yorkers.

  159. Maybe it didn’t like the taste of his necktie.

    Brilliant.

  160. Maybe Hillary has a plan to help more women seek and win office.

    President Kennedy was a senator, not a governor.

    I think we should send the book to NOW, NARAL, and Emily’s list.

  161. Barack ain’t no President Kennedy.

    I think the commenter was pointing out that it’s the first time the election is between two senators. I don’t know, what Nixon a senator? I can’t recall, I was busy kicking the slats off my cradle. Just kidding..

  162. Prior to 2008, I believe only 3 Senators had been elected president.

Comments are closed.

%d bloggers like this: