The Presidential Portrait has been completed!


174 Responses

  1. What a privileged asshole…

  2. For those that may have Amazon Prime, watch “for free” the documentary “The Brainwashing of My Father”. It explains how HRC was correct in 1993 about the right-wing conspiracy & how the rise of right-wing media occurred.

    Sadly, the documentarian was luckier than me. At least her dad “recovered”. Mine never did…even up to two days before he died.

  3. The portrait! It’s so life-like!!

  4. Captures his orange essence perfectly!

  5. I wonder if Ivanka and her lawyers are aware that SCOTUS ruled that the 42nd POTUS could be sued while in office, and he was. It led to his impeachment. No higher government official than that. The Trumps are all alike in believing the rules shouldn’t apply to them.

  6. The artist nailed his likeness!

  7. Olympic level stupidity yesterday from Kellyann: Why the hell don’t those 90 year olds in nursing homes get up off their asses, take their walkers and go find jobs that cover their health care?

  8. I am a fan of the TV show “Twin Peaks,” though I imagine that most people here do not watch it. Last night was one of the strangest episodes ever seen on TV; but aside from the story implications, it was a very vivid and disturbing evocation of the rise of utterly malignant evil. In David Lynch’s world, there is horrifying evil; but there also is good which exists and which must battle the evil, as relentless as it is.

    Everything that is happening in our country could be seen developing over decades. The rise of evangelical christianity; the takeover of the economy by right-wing oligarchs; the media turning from the conveying of information, to becoming the propaganda arm of the Right Wing corporations. In the TP episode, some zombie-like backwoods figure apparently spawned by the Trinity nuclear test in 1945, kept repeating an ominous religious-sounding phrase which seemed to hypnotize his listeners to sleep,, while he committed his murderous takeover. It may not have been the intention of the episode, which was probably shot last year, but it was impossible for me not to viscerally feel the connection to Trump and the Far Right.

    Right now, this can seem like a futile battle which we will lose; but if people do not give up, do not let themselves be taken over by the authoritarians and religious fanatics, they can be stopped, at least nullified. It will take a lot of effort, and a lot of people voting who have somehow decided in the last few decades that it wasn’t worth their time, or that the candidates were not doctrinally pure enough for them, and that voting somehow sullied their desperately held illusion of personal superiority. When you are fighting pure evil, there is surely no time for that sort of destructive self-indulgence.n

  9. Love the dumpster fire. It is the perfect description of Trump and his administration.

  10. I had a tooth extraction on Friday and had to beg the dentist for a ten pill prescription for Hydrocodone-Acetaminophen. They got me through the weekend but this morning, I woke up with considerable pain at the wound and injection sites.
    I called the dentist and asked for one more, ten pill Rx. The assistant checked with the doctor and called me back to say no because pharmacies are cracking down on such scrips and suggested I take Advil. Advil?
    I said, “thanks for nothing, ” and hung up. I’m just grateful I controlled myself and didn’t say “Fuck you.”
    I’ve never felt so condescended to in my life. I’m sixty six years old and know my mouth and what level of pain I can tolerate and what I can’t. What did they think I would do with ten pills-get hooked; become a drug king pin??
    Every response to every problem is ass backward now. So, there’s a fentanyl problem in Ohio? So I can’t get adequate pain relief? Can you imagine how many people are going to suffer because of the big crackdown at CVS?
    Meanwhile, there’s nothing in Trumpcare to address the opioid problem and certainly nothing for rehab and drug development.
    As my sister says people don’t become addicted to pain relief, they become addicted to pain free lives.

  11. The portrait! It’s so life-like!!


  12. Sue, I am sorry you are in pain. I wonder why the pharmacist would be cracking down; I thought they were supposed to fill doctors’ prescriptions? Was this just an excuse by the doctor? Where is the empathy? Some pharmacist would fill it, if not the first one, if the presumably respected dentist wrote it. We have not enough regulations in most areas; too many regulations in some areas; and no empathy, just self-enrichment of self-protection.

  13. Ladies and Gentlemen,brought to you by the Republican Brethren ,their new Health Care bill AKA – Trickle Down Health Care!!!

    And we all know how well that theory worked for the economy.So many battles, so little time. Sigh.

  14. Ah, I finally managed to see the “potrait” picture (my computer is very slow to load pictures). It reminds me of the box in the brilliant and very unsettling movie “Kiss Me Deadly.”

  15. LOL @ Dump’s portrait! Whoever made that is very clever.

    Sweet Sue, hope your mouth heals quickly. If I were a pharmacist, I would prefer a law that says I must fill any Rx that a legal doctor orders, unless of course it would conflict with another Rx, and then the procedure would be to call the Dr and confirm. I don’t understand why pharmacists would want to play god and decide what a customer should or shouldn’t have. If I chose not to honor an Rx, and something bad happened to the patient, I would feel morally culpable; but if a licensed doctor orders it and something bad happens, I wouldn’t feel culpable. Hope that makes sense.

  16. I like reading this guys tweets:

  17. I hope Klein is right:

  18. I am now thinking that the bill will not pass, and may well not even get to a vote. That is good news, of course. It would, however, allow the Republicans to get away from the electoral disaster which might well occur to them if it passes. Even so, I could not root for the bill to pass, not with the destructive effects.

    I will say that watching what the Supreme Court is doing now that Gorsuch has taken his seat, tells me that unless somehow the Democrats can win the Senate in 2018 (exceedingly difficult with the number of D seats contested), we are going to end up with a Court that is so far Right, that they will never issue a decent opinion in the next 30 years, and may well find every single bill which a future Democratic administration passes, unconstitutional; as the “Nine Old Men” kept throwing out FDR’s economic bills, until the threat of packing the Court and the public outcry against them finally got some of them to retire. These right-wing zealots do not care about such things. So in that sense, stopping the bill might actually be the worse political outcome. But I could still not hope for it to pass, because we Democrats do not think like that, we actually care about people.

  19. William and Annie, thank you for your good wishes-much appreciated.
    More than anyone, I think it’s Kasich and the Republican house that are putting pressure on doctors and dentists. There is-I guess-an “opioid emergency” in my adopted state; at least that’s what the Media keeps reporting. What that has to do with an old woman who wanted ten more pills until her mouth healed is anybody’s guess. All I know is that the Republican party is determined to make innocent people suffer as much as possible.

  20. The most succinct way I’ve seen Bernie & co. described in the current crisis:

    The BernieBros are willing to let you to die under the AHCA because they think single payer will rise from your ashes.— Ragnarok Lobster (@eclecticbrotha) June 26, 2017


    LOVE the true to life picture, Uppity. Donnie! It’s you!

  21. Sue, it doesn’t take much to get hooked on hydrocodone. I knew a few people who were in some temporary real pain who had trouble giving it up. I was so scared when I had my open heart surgery, I refused any pain killers when I went home from the hospital. Plus, one shot of morphine on the day of my surgery and the hallucinations that followed was enough to refuse anymore of that shit. When I got home it was a real bitch without the painkillers. But I saw what happened to others and I was just too afraid to take that stuff. I don’t understand why we can find ways to save people’s lives and we can walk on the moon but we can’t develop a real pain killer that doesn’t hook people.I don’t know if it’s individually systemic or not, but I used to take Codeine for headaches. I took it for years off an on , but had no problem not taking it when I didn’t need it. Not sure how it compares to hydrocodone though.

    It’s all ‘solved’ for me now. Due to my kidney issues I am forbidden to take pain killers, even over the counter pain killers, flu meds, pretty much anything processed by the kidneys, which is pretty much all pain killers with or without a script. Except for Tylenol — and we both know how useless Tylenol can be.

    At any rate, I hope by the time you read this you are feeling a whole lot less pain.

  22. I don’t understand why we can find ways to save people’s lives and we can walk on the moon but we can’t develop a real pain killer that doesn’t hook people

    Exactly. As for Advil, the receptionist might as well have told me to think “beautiful thoughts.”
    Alcohol was always and still is my temptation.
    Pills, I just want until the pain stops.
    I know that there is a real problem but am afraid that many people will suffer needlessly because of the opioid hysteria.

  23. Sweet Sue, sorry for your pain. Did you go back to the dentist? You might have what they call a dry socket. You should not be in so much pain.

  24. Thanks, Neeta. It’s starting to ease off.
    The whole episode was not my shining hour but I did not appreciate getting medical advice from the receptionist.

  25. I’ve been prescribed those kind of pain pills enough times, but I can’t tolerate them, they give me terrible headaches and nausea (sometimes vomiting). I had shingles about 10 years ago, which was the worst pain I ever had and I tried the pain pills they gave me (Vicodin?) but they didn’t work and made me feel awful. I went through a large bottle of Advil (the liquid type) in 3 days and that helped. I don’t need painkillers every day, but when I do I get by on Advil and Excedrin. My brother was addicted to OxyContin for awhile, poor guy, after he had a bad head injury trying to save some kids from some asshole that was tormenting them. My bro was in the hospital for two weeks.

  26. What we could have had………sigh.

  27. Annie, I’m sorry that you had shingles; many people have described it as the worst pain imaginable.
    Since I did have chicken pox as a child, I got the shingles vaccination when I turned sixty and urge everyone who’s vulnerable to do the same.
    It’s not supposed to work this way but ever since I was vaccinated, I’ve had far, far fewer cold sores that used to plague me.
    I tolerate Vicodin and Hydrocodon well. My fear is that pain medication will not be available when needed because of the opioid panic.
    And I just want to add how much I hate the Republican party whose members have, apparently, taken a pledge (to Satan?) to cause as much misery, pain and suffering as possible.

  28. Worst pain I ever had were kidney stones. Hell. Hell I tell ya. Took plenty of Demerol.

  29. This interesting article about Jane Sanders from 2008 was posted on Widdershins:

    It says this about Jane’s leadership:

    “…the Student Government Association (SGA) began meeting with students, faculty and staff about what they described as a “toxic and disruptive environment” on campus, which they blame on Burlington College President Jane O’Meara Sanders.

    Seventy-four of the college’s 170 students and 11 faculty and staff signed a petition calling for the emergency meeting and expressing the view that there’s a “crisis in leadership” at the school.

    “Over the past four years, there have been more than two dozen faculty and staff who have left [Burlington College],” said SGA President Joshua Lambert in an interview last week. “A lot of those, we’re concerned, have to do with the administrative practices of Jane Sanders and her administration.””

    Notice the “toxic and disruptive environment” Jane created at the college. I think that’s a perfect description of what her husband has done for the democratic party. And this was long before the ’16 election, so the writers had no ax to grind about that.

  30. Socal, I read that article a couple of days ago. Vermont is such a small state it’s like a small town where everyone knows everybody else. And everyone certainly knows Bernie which means people defer to Jane because of him and his position. It probably means that even without overt pressure coming from Bernie’s office, the bank was never going to turn down that loan application no matter how shady it was.

    This article proves that Jane never should have been given such a position of power and authority. That it took so long to get rid of her, no doubt, once again goes back to Bernie. And the generous severance package is probably because of him too. Without Jane and Bernie, Burlington College probably would have survived. Since his only real achievements seem to be tanking things, Democrats better learn the lesson and stand up to Bernie.

  31. It’s Morning Mika’s turn in the barrel. No woman is safe from Trump’s misogyny. Not even those who have enabled him in the past. Revealing that Trump’s issue is with Morning Joke but he goes after the woman. And his obsession with women “bleeding” is profoundly creepy.

  32. As to the pharmacy and problems with pain medicine. The legislature in my state of Florida has placed a limit on the amount of pain medicines that contain any type of narcotic such as codeine and morphine. So each pharmacy has a limit on what it can dispense. Imagine you have a one time prescription for an opoid narcotic. Now try to find a pharmacy that will fill it. Its damn near impossible unless you regularly fill opoids with them and have a recurring prescription. You are treated as a criminal. Most opoids available to the addicted are on the street. Where they come from I can’t imagine but there used to be pill mills that have long been shut down. If you’re a cancer patient or someone with chronic pain good luck in finding a pharmacy that will dependably fill your prescription. One week they might, the next they might not.

  33. Brassy, I had the same thought about dump’s creepy obsession with women bleeding. (And apparently urinating if the Steele dossier is true, which I think it is,) I think dump has so many pysch issues, he’s like a modern day hitler, god help us all.

  34. lildoggy, that’s really sad. I can understand wanting to keep young people from getting hooked on them, but if someone is dying of cancer or has unbearable pain, they should be able to have the opoids.

  35. trump’s creepy behavior toward women reminds me of a high school quarterback whose team isn’t doing so well lately..he sees any criticism as a negative reflection on his manhood.Rather than self-reflect he goes after the nearest female to prove how “manly” he is and to deflect from his failures. Then ,of course,there are the self-defeating cheerleaders ( ala Huckabee-Sanders/Stockholm Syndrome) who’ll cheer him on no matter what he says or does.
    Seriously,so high school.
    Meanwhile heaven knows what kind of mean spirited,nefarious stuff the Repubs and their “sterling” cabinet minions are up to behind closed doors. ( Apologies to the real,yellow Minions,who I like)
    Lord there’s going to be a huge mess to clean up once this guy is out of office..may it be sooner rather than later. Though I guess we should be grateful for his level of incompetence.

    Meanwhile—“keep swimming,keep swimming”- Dory

  36. A retrospective on Time’s malicious Hillary covers:

    Interesting walk through history & TIME's negative depictions of HRC, an accomplished woman. A small window into what she had to deal with.— T. R. Ramachandran (@yottapoint) June 29, 2017


    Every time I see accolades for Time’s demand that the Dump take down his fake covers, I keep being reminded of these. One of the woman, child and baby hating right-to-lifists here kept leaving that vicious “Can Anyone Stop Hillary” issue around various places until I threw it out a few months ago.

  37. Trump’s so-called commission on voter fraud is demanding detailed voter data on every single voter from every state. Apparently, that’s more efficient than just having Russia hack all of it. This needs to be totally RESISTED! Call your state’s Secretary of State’s office. Tell them to refuse. Some already have.

  38. Put yet another potential crime on the pile with the attempted blackmail/extortion of the Morning Joke hosts. They’re mounting up!

  39. “Apparently, that’s more efficient than just having Russia hack all of it.”

    LOL! Good one, Brassy!

    I think at least 24 states have resisted today.

  40. Me, world class thread killer!

  41. Rachel M. brought up something Friday that has been bothering me for months..I think I even commented on it back last winter. Seemed to me that every time some agency testified that there was no evidence that voting machines, or vote tallies had been tampered with;the presenter would also,when asked,have to answer that it “wasn’t within their purview” to look. SO everyone is going around saying there’s no evidence of tampering,but no one’s bothered to actually look!! In addition, the House has just voted to zero out the funding for the one government entity that could look.

    And this “request” for voter data.why should our states do the work for Cambridge Analytica ( Sp?) or the Cross Check guys? This stuff gets deeper and deeper..and creepier. I may have to start showering at least twice a day to keep the slime off me. Yuck.

  42. Great to hear from you, Sophie! I follow your very active Twitter account but don’t be a stranger here. We miss you.

  43. Sophie! I’ve missed you.

  44. Hi Brassy and Sweet Sue!

    140 characters or fewer of toxic anger is all I’ve had in me for several months now…

  45. Some funny comments here.

  46. Might as well go happy.

  47. Sue, LOL!

  48. Msdsal, agree with you about the vote hacking. I think there was a lot of manipulating of the votes in the red states. And I think there should be a major, national overhaul of how we vote, and that every state should have to abide by it. They should all be hack-proof and easy to do recounts. I don’t think states should be able to set up their voting apparatus however they want because then these red states will cheat and then they get more electoral college delegates than they deserve. If they want to demand their “states rights” and do their own thing, then the electoral college should GO. It’s so unfair, the way its set up. I hope this makes sense.

  49. I have Sophie chained in the basement so she wouldn’t hurt anybody.

  50. socal, Trump is obsessed with at least two of women’s bodily functions.

  51. We’ve got a country where one of the only two viable parties has lost whatever moorings it once had, and will now do anything at all in the service of “winning.” Cheat, lie, subvert the Constitution. I’m sure that if they found a way to break into ballot boxes, or hack votes, they gleefully did it. No one in that party has any compunction about anything, or the slightest ethical misgivings. It is very difficult for the other party, which is not perfect, but which does try to help people, and worries about the consequences of policy, to effectively stop the party which has no constraints at all.

    There were so many votes suppressed in key states due to illegal Crosscheck and similar tactics which our government was unwilling or unable to stop, that I am certain that if all legal voters had at least been able to vote if they chose, Hillary would certainly have won. The Republicans begged Russia to help them cheat. They have over time lost any interest in a workable government. They are power-mad fascists and theocrats who are as awful as the people running the society of the movie “Soylent Green.” Actually, I do not think that the country can reasonably survive unless somehow the Republicans are utterly demonized to a point where most people cannot imagine ever voting for any of them. Efforts to look for “moderate Republicans,” or “reasonable compromise,” are foolish and futile. And trying to curry the media to occasionally say a positive word about Democrats, is also futile. If you’re going to lose the country, at least lose it after calling fascist dictatorship and social darwinism by its true name.

  52. The woman who voters were brainwashed into thinking wasn’t trustworthy was the only one telling the truth. She was right about everything and predicted it all. It was the populists on the left and the right who lied and told people only what they wanted to hear. We can only hope history will straighten this all out. The current media never will.

  53. I have Sophie chained in the basement so she wouldn’t hurt anybody.

    But the WiFi is good and she gives me all the Hot Pockets I can eat.

  54. SophieCT, on July 3, 2017 at 10:29 AM said:

    OMG, that made me laugh so hard.

    Friends, I am not a fan of the “superhero” movies, but my sister & I went to see “Wonder Woman” today. It was awesome. If you need a movie to help you vent your frustrations..this one is tailor-made for you…and probably every other HRC supporter. It’s 2 1/2 hrs. long but didn’t feel like it. Well paced, well-written and just what I needed right now.

  55. Sweet Sue, on July 2, 2017 at 5:49 PM said:
    Might as well go happy.


  56. Hillary goes to another theater production (Oslo)…and Hillary receives another standing ovation.

  57. I have lost all faith in populism, both the left-wing and the right-wing varieties.

    I guess that means that I have lost all faith in “The People”–my fellow non-elite White Murkans, anyway. (I cling to a nebulous hope that maybe La Raza will ultimately save the Republic.)

    The grim fact is that when you add the Orange Covfefe’s voters to the citizens who were not prevented from voting by Russian/Republican dirty tricks, but just couldn’t be bothered to get off their sorry lazy @$$es because “BOTH SIDES ARE EQUALLY CORRUPT! WHAT ABOUT HER E-MAILS?!?!”, you get a majority of citizens who are not fit for the demanding task of self-government. (Also the minor candidates’ voters, but there would still be a majority of inadequates even if the minor candidates’ voters had all voted for HRC instead.)

    How can democracy work if a majority, or at least a critical mass, of citizens are stupid, vicious, or both?

    Poor Mike Judge must have worn a smooth place in his desk by now, beating his head against it. “I meant Idiocracy to be a comedy, and maybe a cautionary tale, but not a Madoka-damned INSTRUCTION MANUAL!”

    Happy Fourth! 😦

  58. I look at my own people–non-elite white USAmericans–in particular, and I feel like Bythia in The Ten Commandments, watching the soldiers of her foolish nephew drown. Or like a dismayed Israelite, watching his fellows bowing to the Baals. Or an old Roman, watching the Republic give way to the Empire. Or an anti-Nazi German, watching his people adoring a monster… 😦

  59. To borrow, slightly paraphrased, a comment from Crooks and Liars:

    Even if we overcome the nitwits and vote a responsible Democrat into the Oval Office next time, the rest of the world will know that a critical mass of USAmericans are stupid enough to elect another Covfefe the next election after that one.

    How can the rest of humanity ever trust us again?

  60. Ivory Bill Woodpecker, on July 4, 2017 at 9:55 AM said:

    I have lost all faith in populism

    Same here. The mob mentality has shown its ugliness up close.

  61. Sophie and Ivory Bill, I’ve felt that way for many years, the sense that we were only one short step away from a nightmarish regime. GW Bush and Cheney were bad enough. Since I knew that the Republicans were inevitably going to win around half of the presidential elections; and since we could see how far Right the party had gone, it was like we were desperately trying to keep the zombies out of the gates. And while Trump is perhaps the worst of the fears, I am not sure that a Pence or Cruz or Rubio presidency would have been any better. Maybe not as weirdly erratic, but just as bad in terms of destruction of the middle class, ignoring of climate change, removal of the safety net, institution of a n oligarchical theocracy. All of this was coming, if any of that Murderers Row which makes up the Republican Party ever got elected.

    And we are seeing how quickly all the good work of previous administrations can be undone. So that even if we win an election or two, they can just tear it down again. I truly think that we must utterly demonize Republicans, which of course may not work, but has to be tried. The media, for whatever reasons, is determined to act as if the parties are relatively equal in reasonableness and stature, which of course hasn’t been true in any sense for many decades. People have to be given at least a chance to understand what is at stake. I would call them “The Party of Death,” specifically referring to their health care bill, but also generally to their social darwinism. I would run ads over and over saying that the Republicans actualy have utter contempt for the lives of working people.I would call them authoritarians and fascists. I don’t care if the media clucks about it. I would at least give people something to stick in their minds about why they do not want to vote for any Republicans. Because otherwise we have at worst a compelte dictatorship of Republicans; or, what we have been seeing for 40 years, where our side tries to compromise and be fair, and their side tries to destroy us; with the result being that we keep getting pushed further down the field by fits and starts, now being about on our own one-yard line.

  62. I never HAD faith in populism. History shows us very clearly that Populist leaders and their plans never end well.

  63. But the WiFi is good and she gives me all the Hot Pockets I can eat.

    If you would behave yourself and stop making a mess down there and complaining and shit, I’d spring for some KFC extra crispy.

  64. Voting I decided to send that Hillary standing ovation to Tom Perez with a little message. It’s a wonder none of these dickheads block me.

  65. 👏👏👏👏👏👏 for Uppity! I can’t believe what’s going on with the Bernie ass kissing from the Democratic party. It really is obscene.

  66. 👏👏👏👏👏👏 for Uppity! I can’t believe what’s going on with the Bernie ass kissing from the Democratic party. It really is obscene.

  67. I love when HRC gets in her “Don’t even go there” mode. Awesome bitch=slap to the GOP:

  68. Voting @5:05 PM: HRC will always be my Wonder Woman; now if she could just move like Gal Gadot and get her hands on that Lasso of Truth…

  69. The more I read pieces from various Bernie acolytes, the more I think that Hillary should actually run in 2020, if for no other reason than to save the Democratic Party from oblivion. I know all the arguments against her running. But the Democrats now seem to be rudderless. Perez is proving to be a dreadful DNC Chairman. Without strong leadership, we see Berners lashing around, trying to get rid of Pelosi for no good reason; condemning Booker and anyone else who does not meet their purity test. They will surely destroy the Democratic Party. Can you imagine Sanders campaigning against the Party he is pretending to be part of? Imagine a general election with Sanders as the nominee, and the Republicans taking the gloves off, and telling everyone how he supported Castro over JFK. And if Sanders does not get the nomination, we know that his supporters will be so outraged, that they will make sure the Democrats lose again, just for the sake of spitefulness.

    Hillary has a base; no other Democrat has a comparable one, though Booker would of course get AA support. Gillibrand isn’t running. Harris will get support, but she is too far Left to win; and frankly a Far Left female candidate of mixed minority ancestry is not a great idea, particularly with such little experience. If the Democrats are only planning to run to make a social statement, they can run Sanders or Warren or Harris. If they would like to actually win, they had better pick someone who has the credentials and mainstream support to win. Oh, I know that Hillary won’t run, but she may still actually be our last best chance to save the country. Assuming she does not run, long-time Democrats had better find someone palatable and capable to coalesce around ( Chris Murphy? Sherrod Brown? Eric Garcetti?), or the Left will call the shots, and one way or the other, tear the Party apart. The Sanders people have an incredibly deluded overrating of their own electoral power, and most of the media is content to accept it. But then the media always wants the Republicans to win, so Sanders unleashed would be an easy way to accomplish it again.

  70. I hope Hillary keeps putting her policy papers out there;they were excellent and well researched ( imagine that!!).Schumer said on one of the talk shows that Dems were coming up w/their own set of plans and policies. Note to Schumer: You don’t have to reinvent the wheel..Hillary had it right last year.
    Also…after watching Rachel tonight I’m beginning to think that the Koch brothers/Mercers and Putin are attempting to take over the world w/their right wing oligarchs and the orthodox catholics and evangelicals are going along for the ride.That Poland take over is scary.

    Plus I keep getting this sneaking suspicion that this whole N. Korea thing is an attempt to distract us or get us into war in N.Korea so Russia can take back the Ukraine and whatever other Eastern European states they’d like.The armed forces in Europe aren’t up to doing any damage to Russia w/out our help..and if we’re too busy trying to save the 150,000 US citizens living in S. Korea..well dang..somebody left the back door open. Might as well be an invitation.

    I DO NOT understand why we’re all standing by and allowing a few madmen and their hench people to destroy everything we believe in.Not saying I know what to do about it either..just incredibly frustrated.

  71. Rebel we are seeing less and less of Bernie. I think Perez cut him loose after that one co-interview where they both disagreed bigly. Secondly, his Skimmer wife is in deep shit and so is he with that bank deal where she lied about assets and he strongarmed them to give her the school loan. They have hired TWO lawyers. That turtle has pulled back toward his shell. On Twitter, finding his die-hards is like finding a Unicorn now. Most of them have dispersed to suck lemons because “Not Me. Us” meme really always meant “Not Us. Me”. Guess they’ll all have to get off their asses and take some responsibility for their own lives because the We Want To Be Cuba deal fell through. And their punishment is Donald J. Trump. You’ve got to wonder about the brain power of ideologues in either direction. There’s something wrong with a brain that thinks 100% of Nothing is better than 75% of Something. Their spite behaviors hurt themselves more than anybody. I just tell them not to worry, because Jill is going to take care of everything. lol.

  72. Uppity, what was that old song, ‘We’ll Have Pie in the Sky By and By”? I think that what we might call The Left has always been filled with people who yearn for a “Workers’ Paradise,” and think that the Democrats keep stopping it from happening by refusing to be “pure” and doctrinaire. The fact that no Socialist can ever win in this country is lost upon them; they chalk it up to “fixing the primaries,” or “selling out the voters.” Various incarnations of the Left have spent the last hundred years decrying America, cheering for people like Castro, Assange, and Sanders. The somewhat less radical members of the Left still feel that somehow the Democrats sold out by nominating Bill Clinton; they preferred to lose every time with a McGovern or Jesse Jackson. At least they were “heightening the differences.”

    As to Uppity’s well-taken comment about preferring 100% of nothing to 75% of something, they take the 75% benefits, while attacking the people who provided them. I’n not at all sure that the country as a whole is not more conservative than it was in 1972, when McGovern’s quixotic ideas were ridiculed and soundly defeated. I thought Hillary’s platform and policies were quite liberal, but the Left loves to rail about some made-up term, “Neoliberalism,” and actually believes that Hillary lost because the country really wanted Sanders-type Socialism. Yes, that is why Feingold ran well behind Hillary in Wisconsin, why Grayson was trounced in Florida, and why not one person Sanders endorsed won his or her election. But realities never meant anything to the Left, it is ll about the sanctimonious sense of purity they cannot live without. And the most ridiculous thing of all is that Sanders acts like (I can’t believe he is stupid enough to actually believe it) there is some coalition of Leftist White People, primarily males, which can win elections for Democrats, while the ethnic minority people are ignored.

  73. I wonder how many of the Sandernistas on the Web were actually Putin’s bots, or his hired punks at Lower Slobbovian Internet cafes? That would explain the startling gap between their flooding presence on Da Intertoobz–if you went by that alone, they would seem like a majority–and their scanty presence at the polls.

  74. In “Macbeth,” Macduff’s soldiers each held up a tree branch as they advanced, to make it look like the army was much bigger than it was. And yes, I am sure that the millions of Russian bots made it look as if there was much more Sanders support. So in the general election, when all the Sanders bots would go on Twitter and attack Hillary, it helped convince some actual Sanders humans to not vote. If the democracy ends up being lost, the corruption of the technology of the internet by evil forces, will be a primary reason. All the internet did was to make it easier for propagandists and corrupt liars to reach more gullible people than ever before, through sophisticated methods which they would never discern.

  75. Apology in advance…..but FUCKING Sarsour’s at it again:

  76. Linda Sarsour is garbage. The right wing can go after her all they want and they’ll get no defense of her from me.

  77. Ga6thDem, on July 7, 2017 at 11:41 AM said:
    Linda Sarsour is garbage. The right wing can go after her all they want and they’ll get no defense of her from me.


    That’s the problem, though. The GOP paint her as a Democrat when she isn’t.

  78. Well, we need to push back on that fact and she’s a bernie bro.

  79. I wouldn’t spit on SourSour if she were on fire. Poster Girl for Clinton Derangement. Remember when she let women know if they brought a hillary* sign to ‘her’ women’s march, they would be ostracized. Fuck her. I don’t care who takes her down, I will step over her.

    *And while she was warning everyone, she was distributing fliers with Hillary’s “Women’s Rights Are Human Rights”. Without attributing it to Hillary.

    Let em chew her up and spit her out, they will do us a favor.

  80. Uppity I take heart from your comments about Bernie fading. I often wonder how Nader people, once they saw the damage they did, could live with themselves. I actually met one from Florida, no less, about nine months after the 2000 election, and she was still fervently defending her vote as one that would teach the Democratic party a lesson. Oh dear.

  81. lucyk, the Nader people will never admit that they screwed us. In fact, they blamed someone else. Susan Sarandon and Michael Moore are Nader people who blame Hillary for her Iraq vote. They never consider that there would not have been a 9/11 or Iraq vote with Gore.

  82. How do we take our Party back? Obviously, I don’t mean from minorities. I mean from the purity crowd that’s killing our chances at the polls. Of course, gerrymandering and voter suppression are the biggest problems.

  83. I think the Iraq vote was about 75-22 with a few abstentions. Hillary could have voted against it ten times, and it still would have passed enormously. Kerry voted for it, so did Edwards, Biden. Anyone who hoped to have any political future voted for it. The drumbeat was loud, and there was Powell telling the UN about clear evidence that Hussein was building WMDs. Anyone who voted against it would have lived in infamy had Powell been telling the truth. And again, the bill passed in a landslide. But the puritans literally get more pleasure out of hating Hillary for the vote, than actually trying to help the American people survive incipient fascism.

  84. Sue, this is a very significant matter. Fighting the fascism and the awful programs and policies of the other side are of course the paramount goal. But to do that, we have to win elections. And yes, along with the sinister vote suppression and mafia style tactics employed by the Republicans, the cultish puritanism practiced by the Democratic Left, is a major impediment. One can actually skip over everything else in the last two decades, and realize that the Far Left has given us GW Bush and Cheney, and now Trump and Pence. If the Left does not glory in trying to show how morally superior they are to Gore, they do not vote for Nader. If they do not willingly fall prey to Russian propaganda designed to convince them against all real evidence that somehow the DNC fixed the primaries against Sanders, and that Hillary was an enemy to some kind of deluded vision they had of a socialist paradise, they don’t vote for Stein or Johnson, or sit home and feel glorified in doing so.

    They are not going away. They are determined to get Sanders nominated, or at least Warren. No one else is good enough for them. These people have no connection to political reality. The best thing to do, I think, is for people like us to find a candidate who, while obviously not perfect, is good on most of the issues, and actually has the ability to win, by connecting to a wide group of voters. I thought that Hillary would make a great President, but the Left didn’t. What we need is a massive turnout of the Hillary base, which is going to have to include People of Color, some of whom apparently did not vote this time because there was no ethnic minority on the ballot. People are going to have to awaken and realize that there are only two winnable options: a reasonable Democrat, or the triumph of fascism. And if it doesn’t matter to Moore or Sarandon, it matters to hundreds of millions of other people.

    The Left cannot win an election, it can only allow Republicans to win. We need a candidate whom we can get behind early in the process; because if there are ten or so candidates, the Far Left can win with 25-30% of the vote. If both Sanders and Warren run, they could get 40% or so, enough to make deals to win the nomination. If caucuses are still present, it is even worse. Since a homination of either of those two is a virtually certain defeat in the general, we need to get out in front of this, and find the best candidate to get behind. Who is that? I don’t even know who is running; but if Sherrod Brown runs, I would likely support him. If Eric Garcetti runs, I probably like him even better. Chris Murphy is fine. But we need to pick one of these types,, because the moderate-to-liberal vote cannot be split five ways. If Sanders is allowed to call the play, he will fracture and destroy the Democratic Party, which he describes as toxic. Warren would just lead it to a classier defeat than Sanders would. Democrats like us need to organize now, and to try to coalesce around someone sooner rather than later. In 1989, I predicted that Bill Clinton would win the nomination in 1992, because it just felt like he was the one person who could win over some of those Reagan Democrats. This time, the South is lost, and there is no one like Bill Clinton. But we do need someone who can keep the Party from fracturing along ethnic or gender lines. As to the Far Left, nothing will assuage them other than proudly losing in a bonfire of glory. They won’t go away, but maybe some of them will mature ehough to choose progress over self-immolation.

  85. RE: VH’s pic–Damn shame Diana isn’t real.

    Although Kara seems to know more about popular culture. 😛

  86. Oh, and this.

  87. Also this. 😈

  88. For fellow Asimov geeks out there:

    Putin is the First Speaker of the Second Foundation.

  89. I think we should be more worried about 2018 than 2020. Dems should be fighting tooth and nail against voter suppression which on top of gerrymandering is what Republicans are counting on to keep Congress. And that’s without Russian interference. Who knows what they’re planning? Trump regime clearly won’t stop them.

  90. Wonder if anyone else here wasted 2 hours on that pathetic History channel program which supposedly definitively answered the question of what happened to Amelia Earhart. Really, a network that calls itself The History Channel ought to be more rigorous when it investigates historical mysteries. They just asserted and assumed things without much evidence, beginning with that silly photo which supposedly shows Earhart and Noonan sitting on a dock in the Marshall Islands. There is scant evidence it is them, much less real proof. It’s emblematic of what is wrong in this country today. Facts and evidence are massaged to fit a preconceived narrative rather than being used to prove anything. There were people with solid reputations on this program who just bought into all the nonsensical “facts” being tossed around. Shows just how far we’ve sunk.

  91. Meanwhile, back at Chez Clinton:

  92. oops!

  93. What only Trump understands: Hillary Clinton won the election

  94. let me try again

  95. Caret left
    Caret right


    Caret left
    forward slash
    Caret right

  96. Fearing “TheTrial” was too mundane, Franz Kafka pulls out all the stops in “The Election”.

    Kris Kobach has sent a letter to Kris Kobach to keep Kris Kobach from sending data to Kris Kobach because Kris Kobach is being sued— Dan Hamamura (@DanHamamura) July 10, 2017


  97. Stopped by to say Hi to Bernie. So did a lot of others.

  98. President Covfefe wants to form a cyber-security initiative with Tsar Putin (though his advisers may have talked Covfefe into walking that back by now–I hope they have). About that:

  99. I’ve read that this quote is a bit dubious, but if Steinbeck did say this, he understood the majority of non-elite USAmericans better than Bernie does:

    Of course, for every plucky and lucky non-elite individual who does rise to riches, a huge number of equally plucky non-elite individuals do not. (Pluck is worthless without luck.)

    This same poor ability of the average human to calculate and comprehend odds is what keeps casinos in business.

  100. We now have proof of collusion by Trump campaign with Russia. And allegations against Jane Sanders are being investigated by a grand jury. Justice may be slow in coming, but it will come.

    Btw, Jeff Weaver is saying this bank fraud investigation is being driven by Trumpists who are afraid Bernie will run in 2020 because he’s so “popular”. There are a few things wrong with that defense, beginning with the popularity argument. But also, the investigation began in January of 2016 when Obama was president. And Trump still hasn’t gotten around to replacing fired US Attorneys so career officials are running the show now. Apparently, Jane has no case against the allegations, and they’re not going to defend on substance. It sounds like they expect an indictment which is fairly likely given the fact there’s grand jury involvement. So much Karma this morning. Hope Hillary has broken out the Chardonnay!

  101. William, do you like Adam Schiff? I do but I’m a very poor judge of who people will find shiny and new enough to get off their asses and head for the polls.
    Is he perhaps too Adlai Stevenson-ish? I wish that my senator, Sherrod Brown was ten years younger.

  102. The rightful President posted a pic on her Twitter account. The T-shirts are being sold for Samantha Bee & Planned Parenthood.

  103. Site to buy shirts.

  104. Sue, I do like Schiff, though I actually haven’t seen him that much, to assess how he might project in a campaign. He certainly is a good man, and a pursuer of justice. I’d have no problem with him, but my sense is that Garcetti has the charisma, intelligence, and general good nature to be a formidable candidate. But maybe it is not a good idea to have a candidate from CA, since much of the country resents CA, and of course there is no electoral advantage to running someone from here. But it is a very big state, with some excellent elected officials, so I would hate to have to comb around for Democrats from purple or red states, or smallish NE states. Actually, the person who would be perfect for this next election would be Jerry Brown, but he would be 80 or so. I wonder if he would actually run, it’s not impossible.

  105. My parents loved Adlai Stevenson, strongly supported him to somehow get nominated again in 1960, the first convention which I watched some of. Then later on, I very much liked Eugene McCarthy. I appreciate a highly intelligent candidate who can quote some history and literature. But of course there is a strong anti-intellectual streak which has always run through America, and such people almost never win. Americans like folksy types whom they’d like to have a beer with, or combative types who do not back down, even if wrong. Democrats are often cast by the media and the other side as the agonizing intellectuals; John Wayne or Gary Cooper preferred to Leslie Howard. It’s ridiculous and wrong, but we have to win elections with the populace we have. My sense is that we need someone, whoever it might be, who can flip the general narrative, and who can get confused voters to realize that the Republicans are not just wrong, but evil and treasonous; while Democrats are the Party which wants to protect the country; and to keep saying it over and over. Right now, there are a number of voters who have been brainwashed into thinking that “libruls” have somehow ruined the country, and thus are worth voting against at every opportunity.

  106. What ruined McCarthy was his followers. Crazy bastards on TV all the time looking to burn and kill if they could get away with it. It scared voters off. Big Time. Kind of like the Bernouts now, but actually worse, if possible. That convention was a horrible show.

    McGovern suffered even worse with his followers.

    I mean when you’re beloved by creatures like Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn and the Weather Underground while they are blowing things up, you might have a problem winning. People just don’t go for that shit. It’s how Nixon won again. Fear of the animals following the leader. I had Democratic relatives who voted for Nixon out of fear.

  107. Per Schiff. I don’t think House members make a winning team. They are district people and the rest of the country has no idea who they are. Unless, if course, they get noticed nationally. REALLY noticed. House members tend to think with the brains of their district, they see through the eyes of their district, they bring a narrow view to the rest of the country and it’s not a good mix.

    Ryan ran with Mittens and look how well that worked out. He was pimping the ideas of his district that got him elected. Including the desire to convert America into a theocracy.

  108. So, yesterday I watched “Morning Joe” for the first time and was pleased to see them go after the Trump Crime Family, although I’m fully aware of how much free air time the insufferable Scarborough Unfair and his mistress gave to the Orangutan.
    Well, today, they were all back to bashing Hillary as the “least effectual and worst candidate in modern history. Yeah, so ineffectual that she won the popular vote by three million ballots. And what is asshole Mike Barnicle’s problem?
    So, no more intern killer for me. When will I ever learn?

  109. Scarborough is an opportunist. He’s trying to get the Trump stink off. He owes the nation, and especially Hillary, an abject apology. Don’t hold your breath. He continues bashing her because he and other members of The He-Man’s Woman Haters Club still perceive her as a threat to the rule of white dudes. He’s an arrogant jerk who doesn’t deserve another chance. And his fiancee is a pathetic wimp. He demeans her and dominates her on the show if she dares to disagree. That’s the way he treats her in public. Imagine this dynamic in private.

  110. Well said, Brassy, and I agree with every word and sentiment. They’re all hoping that we won’t remember or notice the blood of the nation on their hands and, now, I recall that Barnacle said that Hillary reminded “everybody” of their first wives because, of course, we’ve all had first wives.
    Assholes, everyone, and I’ll never be lulled into thinking anything else again.

  111. Barnicle is someone who has hated the Clintons for decades. It is a srrange mental illness that some of these people have; they dedicate their lives and journalistic careers to savagely derogating every single Clinton, including Chelsea. I have no idea what any of the Clintons ever did to any of them, given that Bill Clinton’s presidency gave us peace and prosperity, and that he left office with about a 67% favorable rating. And Hillary, who was a very [popular Senator from NY, and a popular Secretary of State, while she was in that position, certainly couldn’t have affected Barnicle much, but he hates her just the same.

    Hillary got 3 million more popular votes, even after massive voter suppression by Crosscheck knocked about 1.1 million voters off the rolls in PA, WI and MI; and other voter suppression efforts kicked off perhaps a million or more in FL and NC. And after an absolutely unprecedented campaign of Russian active measures undertook massive hacking, and then worked with Trump to target tens of millions of voters per their data profiles, by using millions of fake news stories and ads on Facebook and other sites. And with the media doing everything it could to give Trump free air time, showing every single one of his rallies from start to finish. Oh, and with the VRA essentiallly gone for the first time since 1964. Put the VRA back, put the illegally removed voters back; stop the Russian collusion, and Hillary probably wins by 8-10 million votes, winning the biggest Democratic victory since 1964. With their hatred for Hillary, Scarborough and Barnicle, et al, could never admit that. That’s their problem, but their own personal animosity ultimately minmizes all of the rest of it, and makes it more likely that it will happen again next time. That makes them collaborators with evil, in my view.

    And I neglected to even mention above the FBI’s role in this election, which Nate Silver and others have estimated cost Hillary 2-3% in total votes simply due to Comey’s second letter to Congress a few days before the election.. It certainly was her fault, though–for using a private server, the same as Colin Powell any many others had done. The truth is that Hillary was one of the most effectual candidates. But do you think that any of these people actually listened to her policy speeches? “I don’t want Sally to be second grade president, I just don’t like her! Nyah, Nyah, Nyah, I’m holding my hands over my ears, and not listening to anything she is saying! And I don’t want anyone else to listen to it, either!”

  112. Yep, Putin played a brilliant game, but it would never have worked if not for our country’s dismally abundant population of Stupid White Folks–mostly reactionaries, but Bat-Guano Left Purity Ponies played a small but key role.

    But cheer up, Purity Ponies. The contradictions have never been higher! The Stupid White Reactionaries will throw off their false consciousness any minute now, and fall in behind you as you lead them into our Glorious People’s Revolutionary Future!

    Yep, any minute now…any day now…any year now… 😛

  113. Oh, I neglected to add after “…small but key role”, as they did in 2000. 😡

  114. Thanks to commenters here, I’ve added The Last Word to CSPAN as the only TV news I watch.

    Tonight, Laurence O’Donnell had a segment on the lawyer in that meeting with Dolt Jr. – she was among those representing the Russian mob defendants in the money-laundering case Preet Bharara was in the midst of prosecuting when Dump abruptly fired him without cause.

    Today, Democratic members of the House Judiciary Committee sent a letter to Sessions asking why this was settled.

    This article quotes only people saying the government got a good deal but O’Donnell and his guest for this segment said the case was settled for far too little, essentially pocket change for the amounts alleged to be laundered.

    The letter’s authors think so too:

    Nevertheless, two days before the trial was set to begin, the Department agreed to settle this $230 million case for less than $6 million and no admission of wrongdoing. Ms. Veselnitskaya told one Russian news outlet that the penalty was so light that it seemed
    “almost an apology from the government”.
    (link from a tweet by Amy Siskind)

    I’m very glad to see actual Dems (unlike non-Dems mouthing off on the sidelines) connecting the dots, standing fast and raising hell on this.

  115. Has there ever been a real accounting of all of Bernie’s hundreds of pages of FEC violations? He was cited for taking “contributions” from foreign sources. And then is it possible that Republicans might have beefed them up. The contributions enabled him to keep going much longer than he should have. Just wondering.

  116. Oops! Looks like Li’l Donny missed a shot! (gif)

  117. Anyone remember the Garbage Pail Kids?

    “Downloaded DONALD”:

  118. lucyk, I’ve wondered the same thing. He’ll probably get away with it.

  119. I watched Maddow tonight and she had this crazy story about dump’s demented attorney. Dump and his circle are dangerous and ruthless. We should never underestimate them.

  120. Upps, I can’t stand the soursour woman either. Who the hell does she think she is, telling people what they can carry at a protest?

  121. Let me see. Hmm…I’m guessing tax cuts. Just a stab in the dark.

  122. Oh, I think that Ryan and McConnell are utterly immoral people who were aware of all of this collusion, and actually took money from Russian sources, and used the targeted hacking and fake news stories to defeat Democrats in Congressional campaigns. So “patriotism” as they define it in their twisted consciousnesses, is loyalty to their own agenda and self interest. There is nothing beyond that. In a just world, they would be sent to prison for a long time. They sold out the United States of America to a foreign adversarial power. We always knew that these people were evil, but even we did not comprehend that there was no bottom to it. They were told by the IC and the FBI that the Russians were interfering with the election, and McConnell threatened the President that if he released this information, he would attack the President for doing the thing that the Russians were actually doing. Ryan knew, with his cohort McCarthy, that the Russians had bought Trump, and they joked about it, and made sure to keep it “in the family.” I can only hope that the whole story becomes clear, and is not short-circuited by the media which hopes it will all go away when Trump leaves.

  123. CNN now reporting 8!!! people at Junior’s confab with Russians. Haven’t identified the other three. Maybe Larry, Moe, and Curly. But nothing to see here! Move along now.

  124. What a cluster covfefe.

  125. Up to 8 people?!? I’m sure this is the tip of the iceberg.

    Sweet Sue, LOL!

  126. Navarro rips the Trump Family who have been cheating and lying all of their lives. I wish she was on MSNBC. I really cannot stand CNN.
    “I think you can collude and be stupid at the same time”.

  127. No One Cares About Russia in the World Breitbart Made

  128. WRT the recent cringe-worthy meeting with Macron, Reebok schools Dump:

    In case you were wondering when it IS appropriate to say, "You're in such good shape…beautiful,"… THIS:— Reebok (@Reebok) July 14, 2017


  129. With all due respect, Laurence Tribe, we can do both–focus on how election was stolen from Hillary AND how our sovereignty was stolen.

  130. Because both are true.

  131. The ever-changing story about Trump Jr.’s meeting — what we know

  132. Not quite, Mr. Tribe.

    P stole the election from H on behalf of P’s puppet T, because that was a necessary precondition for P to usurp the sovereignty of the USA.

  133. U.S.
    Trump’s Approval Ratings After Six Months Are the Worst of Any President
    By Tom Porter On 7/16/17 at 8:58 AM

  134. Junior has got more stories than Aesop’s Fables.

  135. After reading in the NY Times about all the questionable money Manafort received from the corrupt Ukrainian Yanukovych and his then political party, I am wondering why we are not receiving the same information about Tad Devine who worked for Yanukovych in, I believe, 2006 and 2012. And the last time it was with Manafort. Maybe his fees were not has HUUUGE. Nevertheless, what was he doing working for someone who was stealing millions of dollars from his own people. Is that what Bernie admired about him when he hired him as his media strategist???

  136. We will get no help from elected Republicans. The implication that we can get our country back, and all work together on behalf of America, seems very unrealistic. We are seeing the ultimate progression of the moral decay which has rotted the Republican Party for decades. Now they are at a point where they virtually admit that Russia interfered on their behalf, and that it is okay, and that they hope that it happens again, and that they will try to help it to happen again. Winning on their terms is the only metric. Getting rid of Trump won’t fix this; winning some Congressional seats will not make things okay.

    This was not a one-off, and it did not just pop up from nowhere. The Republicans have been cheating in various ways for decades; this is just a natural step for them. The media lets them get away wih it. The only reason the media is covering some of it now, is because it does not help Hilary. if Kasich pops up in 2020, they’ll try to sell him, too. Getting rid of Trump does not guarantee getting the country back. Bush and Cheney and DeLay and Armey might only look better by default.. The Republican Party is an entity of evil, at this stage.

  137. lucy, excellent points you raise. I would love to know those answers. I wonder if the media doesn’t follow it because it would implicate their dear bernoid.

    William, my son & his friends refer to the rethugs as “The Empire” (evil guys in Star Wars), I agree with you that they are evil, and I don’t know how they’re going to be beaten at this point.

    This is a really interesting thread:

  138. The drafters of the Constitution were very concerned about the rise of political parties which they called “factions”. That’s why it’s so strange that they didn’t anticipate a faction in Congress refusing to rein in a corrupt POTUS from the same faction. The checks and balances in the system depend upon good faith actors to enforce them.

  139. Annie, I think that it would take a political landslide which not only put the Democrats back in control of government, but which might force the Republicans to change their agenda. Had Hillary won on paper, and had the Democrats won the Senate, this would have given us the Supreme Court, and would have perhaps marginalized even those evil and dangerous 40% or so in our country. Of course, the various factors which prevented it are part and parcel of why the situation is so dire,, with their control of the media, billionaires pouring in money so as to be rewarded with more billions. This was the election of all elections, and so the Republicans pulled out every evil method available,, and somehow they were allowed to get away wth it. A major Democratic landslide is imperative, since “divided government” translates into the Republicans blocking everything if a fairly large minority,. and stomping on Democrats if even a bare majority.

  140. Brassy Rebel, I can only imagine that the Founders, even with all their intelligence, could not really imagine a world two hundred years beyond theirs. They tried to limit the vote, which sounds awful, and is in many ways, but which also intended to only have educated people vote. They imagined that while there would be fierce debates, there would be a general following of Age of Enlightenment principles, where empiricism and reason took precedence.

    They did everything reasonable to keep religion out of government; but the inevitable rise of populism, and then the growth of a vast cohort of actual voters who adhered to religious fundamentalism and its hatred of intellectual learning and scientific facts,has been a major cause of blind dogma fighting with and now possibly defeating the forces of Enlightenment. Australians liked to chaff Americans, saying “We might have gotten the convicts, but you got the Puritans.” The strain of religiouis intolerance and unwillingness to consider empirical facts, has turned what the Founders always imagined would be vigorous but reasonable debate into instransigent tribalism on the part of half the country. That, and of course those people who hate that any but rich male WASPs get to vote or make decisions. Thus democratic populism contains both the country’s salvation and its potential demise.

  141. William @ 7:10, yes, there’s no way the Founders could have predicted what life in the 2000’s would be like. For myself, I am discouraged and disappointed in the voting system they set up, one that allowed the loser of the popular vote to win twice in 16 years.

  142. socalannie, you’re right. We’re truly living under taxation without representation.

  143. Now the Republicans want to repeal the ACA without replacing it. Of course, that will throw the entire American health care system into total chaos. Gee, they have so many great ideas!

  144. Trump, Putin met for nearly an hour in second G20 meeting

  145. Ha,Upps. The Jim Jones reference is so right on.This maybe a good time to invest in koolaid stocks.

  146. can you die from hate-laughing?— Kelly Wallace (@kellyawallace) July 17, 2017


  147. From Neal Gabler:

    What Trump’s Putin Love Says About Conservatives

  148. Ivory Bill, that is as usual an insightful article by Gabler, who is the best at weaving his points into a social and historical context.

    I thoroughly agree that all the red-baiting of the ’50 and ’60’s and beyond was simply a technique by which Republicans could wn elections by acting patriotic, and painting the Democrats as enemies of democracy, “soft on Communism.” Of course, big business did always hate socialism, communism, labor moviements, anything which questioned their right to make unfettered profits. That was Hearst’s major concern. And then the Right loved to go after intellectuals, professors, Hollywood liberals. For many decades, the common perception was that the Republicans were on the side of morality, a strong America, saluting the flag, playing patriotic hymns at sports events; while the Democrats were not.

    The Republicans can’t play those cards any more, but they always find different ones. The thing which is amusing and horrifying is how easily their mouthpieces and their voters abandon anti-Russian rhetoric, when their side “wins” because of Russian interference. For the Republicans, it was always a game of “our side versus theirs,” and now their media has convinced about 40% of the country that they win vicariously if the liberals lose. The only rights they seem to cherish are having many guns, not having to pay taxes, or read books with facts in them. For a bit of optimism, we can consider that Republicans are ultimately going to look very unconvincing when uttering their pious platitudes about America. Democrats can become the party of patriotism and honor; people like Schiff, Duckworth, Kander and Lieu the representatives of courage and love of country.

  149. Woodypecker:
    Excellent article from Gabler.
    Thank you.

  150. Must read above article…

  151. If you sent this piece of shit money after I warned you not to, you are fucking stupid. Period.

  152. Says a known associate of Vlad the Bad. I’m too lazy to look up the pix of Jill Stein at Vlad’s shindigs, but I’ve seen at least one of them.

    Oh, she also has been known to play footsie with anti-vaxxers.

    I especially recommend the section called “Vladimir Putin’s Fan Club”.

  153. Bellecat @ 10:13, omigosh! Who would’ve expected that in Texas? I hope they go on to win!

    God I can’t stand that evil witch Stein. On to read the wapo article.

  154. Ok, he is not going quietly into that good night:

  155. Here you go, Ivory Bill:

  156. Thanx. 🙂

    “Dr. Jill Stein”

    Descendant of Dr. Frank N. Stein (from the old comic-book Mad magazine)? 😛

  157. I found this out tonight when looking up something else on HRC’s campaign website.

    DNC is erasing her. Click the “shop” link after going to the site. HRC is non-existent just like the DNC wants Hillary.

  158. So helpful when our so-called leaders give aid and comfort to the enemy. Trump wasted no time this am tweeting out Schumer’ s hot garbage from yesterday about blaming ourselves, not Russia. Many people want more than two political parties in this country. Right now, I’d settle for two. Because we really only have one, and it’s destroying everything while incompetent boobs like Schumer, Biden, and Sanders help while pretending to oppose them. This is so demoralizing. It’s like Dem “leaders” want us all to stay home next year.

  159. Schumer’s invitation to the next RT dinner in Moscow is in the mail. Head table with Vlad!

  160. I’m just a nobody out here in the Minnesota cornfields with a bachelor’s degree in Poli Sci and History. And if I can see that what Schumer said yesterday about Democrats (meaning Hillary) is very damaging to Democrats, why can’t he? It’s bad enough that this has been Bernie’s shtick since election day, but now we have the party leader in the Senate doing it. I can’t even anymore!

  161. Don’t even get me started on fucking Chris Cuomo. Someone else will have to rip him a new one. Let’s just say he has proven beyond all doubt that most of the media has NO FUCKING IDEA what Hillary’s campaign was about. ZERO.

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